This topic aims to replace the spam topic. We discuss nothing in particular here, and yet don't discuss nothing at all if that makes sense.

Soooooooo I'm working on FEPS still, just finished porting everything to the new engine. Literally everything, classes, tilesets, scripts, skills, icons, etc. Then I rearranged all the skills in the editor so they aren't jumbled around. Archer skills, thief skills, power skills, activation skills, movement skills, etc. Then I have a subsection of skills I have yet to use, those'll be fun to mess around with

So... you're trying to replace the spam topic with something where we probably won't be able to spam just for the heck of not having to spam inside a new spam topic? XD

Its not about spam (though I reckon it'll end up that way) its about having a genuine general discussion... actually I'm not even gonna go through these differences, there's already been plenty said on this if you're willing to look.

Basically, all the forum rules still apply here, except the one about drifting off topic. This is the one and only place on the forum where two pages can have ENTIRELY unrelated issues being discussed, but it isn't spam. You'll see (if it works that is).

I now realize it will not, because people don't really want change, they only thinbk they do.

That's why we elected Obama then bitch about him.

Well so far the whole scrapping the playground thing is tied in votes.
I don't see why this and the spam topic couldn't simply coexist anyways and have somewhere for everyone to post.
And if you want this topic to kick off all you've gotta do is say something controversial enough to kick it off.

I also disapprove of Obama's reign, or rather the attitude towards it. No-one's conquering racism by electing a Black president, in fact the longer they intend to keep that in the history books as what defined his victory the longer the division will continue. I guess what I'm saying is race shouldn't factor into the equation, he should just be another of the presidents I wouldn't know if they hadn't occurred in my lifetime.

I wrote a fun short story (I dno, my friends liked it, but then they would say that) where everyone's memory was inexplicably removed so there were no reasons for social division. Instead of developing a global state though, they devolved into packs of savages grouped by eye colour.

The votes are as a guideline - to judge reaction.

We might try a trial month with no cesspool (hide it from your view) then try the one thread.

However-

I hate bumper stickers - I actually saw one that said "Baby Prince Oliver on board"- oh whoopee- you produced a child and put a sticker on your car- ooh .....stupid.

That sounds surprisingly plausible.



I think people have a natural tendency to not think before they speak. I've never heard an actual argument against Obama, just several conflicting opinions coming from the same side.
I think the worst time was when I (briefly) discussed the Republican candidates with a few of my friends who study American politics. I admit I was less informed than them, but my arguments were about the statistical advantages of running for a second term, not the merit of either group. I showed them the facts later - I was right. The facepalm moment of the argument was when one of them told me, "You don't study American politics, so it's not like your view matters"... I had to try very hard not to point out that the vast majority of voters don't have a clue about American politics either, and they're the people that get the vote.
Oh the joys of a self-defeating argument.

Oh, and don't get me started on bumper stickers...

Y'know, after hearing all th negativity about him, I'm kinda starting to feel it too. But Idgaf what anyone says, if it's Obama VS Santorum, or Gingrich, or Romeny, Obama gets my vote. He better watch out though, there's a strong possibility that I'd more than happily vote for Ron Paul if he came through in the election. Seriously though, what fucking retards are putting up Romney and Gingrich anyway, I don't know ANYONE who truly likes them. We have a man who cheats his taxes and hides his money offshore (Oh, but it's "legal" so that;s fine and dandy) and then we have a guy who cheats on his wives. Seriously, three wives?! Fuckkkk.


Humans are, and always will be, sexist racist and humanist. We will discriminate for any reason that makes us feel superior to one another, it's just the way we are.


Ugh, that ticks me off too. I'd rather see one that says "We made a baby and raised it to successful adulthood!" any day of the year.

The friends I was discussing politics with? Die hard Romney supporters.
Hiding money offshore is legal, but you've got to admit it's a flaw in the system, not a flaw with him... However, he plans to lower taxes even further for himself once he's president, so he's not just an average asshole, he's an asshole that WANTS to be more of an asshole... It's assholeception

On the plus side, he wants to
...Though as a wealth-ass socialite, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad.

(I was going to say more, but my browser kept inexplicably hitting the back button. Sort of a thing where I'd write a few paragraphs, then it would go back, then I would go back in and write a few more paragraphs. On the plus side, you managed to avoid a page-worth of tl;dr.)

It's fine if he wants money for himself, but as someone trying to become an american president he sets a shit example. Presidents pay their taxes, they must be excellent people with incredible integrity and very honest, though we'll never see one like that. Ever. Also, it says a lot that he is exploiting as many flaws in the system as possible while Obama pays his taxes.
Obama: One wife.
Gingrich: Three.

Obama: Pays his taxes fairly, no hidden money.
Romney: Lies, changes political views at his whim, buys votes, and hides money offshore, exploiting flaws in the system.


The only truly honest man in the race though, is Ron Paul. If it was him VS Obama, I'd probably vote for Ron, but it won't end up like that so Obama gets my vote in the end.

Changing the topic again, I just got an awesome new Cordoba acoustic-electric Ukulele(Tenor). Awesome tone and plays well. It's also got it's own built-in two band EQ settings. Pictures to come when I get a chance.

I've always wished I could play an instrument IRL, like a guitar or something.

I always wanted to play the drums for some reason. I mean, all I can play are melodic instruments, the piano and cello... damn, the cello sounds so good.

This is technically an electric cello, and it ends up sounding a lot like some kind of synthetic saxophone or whatever, but I think that just makes the song that much cooler.

That's a nice little remix. Love the sounds, especially the fingerpicking and imitation percussion. It also reminds me that a loop station is next on my list of things to get. Or an EQ pedal, but I've got a decent amount of EQ control right now.

I've got a good amount of percussion experience myself, and an old Royale drum kit sitting around. Don't play it much anymore, though.

You really should give it a go man, its not anywhere near as hard as people think (though theory can be pretty offputting at first).
If you're willing to put the time in to get the basics down then its up to you how far you want to go, complexity-wise.

And you can enjoy/appreciate/interact with music in a whole new way

Why does that sound almost exactly like my experience with coding?

Just the way the things work.
I've never encountered anything I couldn't accomplish, bar physically. But really if I put time into working out I dont doubt that wouldn't be any different.
And I'm not bragging, its not because I'm super-gifted or anything, everyone can accomplish anything if they put the time in.

Goddamn that's cliche

True, true. I started with percussion. I had a good rhythm, but I just couldn't handle a kit. Too much multitasking. A week later I had it down(though nothing amazingly complex), and a stuck with it for 4 years or so before branching out to another instrument.

I ended up picking up a guitar, and having a good year or so of playing with it. Then one day I was out getting new strings, and thinking of picking up an acoustic to mess around with. I'd really started liking that sound. Instead, a soprano ukulele caught my eye, and after a little practicing, I ended up picking it up instead. Best decision ever. I've found I'm a lot more comfortable playing a Uku than a guitar.

You should definitely check out some different instruments. A lot of music stores have demo models on display for your pleasure. Might take some time, but the key is to find an instrument you're comfortable playing.

Loving the musical direction of the topic, though I feel a little lacking all of a sudden

I'm a bass player myself, and I'd love to get an acoustic bass, or an electro-acoustic bass, or a 5/6 string bass, or a combination. So much variation, so little money Loop pedal would also be brilliant, I love loop pedals (that was a beautiful remix by the way).
Then again, after (properly) playing bass for just over a year (I dabbled for a few years, but never regular practice) I've started dabbling with power chords, harmonics, and generally more guitar territory.


I've always been a bit backwards with this. I'm pretty awful skill-wise at playing instruments, but the theory just works with me. I don't really know the technical aspects of it, but I can (usually) improv for a while without making any mistakes just by knowing what will and won't work. This goes for keyboard/piano too.

The odd thing about music is that, more often than not, the best stuff is actually remarkably easy to play. It's just harder to play it well or compose it to begin with... In my experience anyway

Yeah, I know how that feels. My new uke cost me around $250(It's made of Mahogany!), for the instrument, case and a cable(my old ones had vanished). Fortunately, I already have a nice Crate amp, so that saved me some money.

On the other hand, loop pedals alone are around $150 on the low end, and a good loop setup will be even more expensive. As much as I'd also like a good EQ pedal, that's another $100(though, some really low-end ones go for around $30-40).

I think its just because the less divergence makes it more acceptable to a larger audience.
Like the 1st, 4th, 5th (and maybe using the 6th for the natural minor) is probably the strongest chord progression because we are so accustomed to it its practically conditioned within us(although I read some mindblowing thing by some Greek guy, maybe Socrates? anyways he was talking about how they influenced their troops with music pitches, so maybe its innate) whereas using different intervals will likely have a change of pitch that would only please certain individuals...if that makes sense (I hate talking theory).

Man uke's are getting crazy popular, its gna be weird when the next gen kicks in and they feature in every lineup

Eh, they've always been fairly popular, just not that widespread. They're a really diverse instrument. You've got your classic Soprano ukes with a bright, upbeat sound, and now Concert and Tenor ukes are being picked up more. Still don't see many baritones, though. I personally love the acoustic-electric ones. They've got a very traditional tone, even when ran through an amp. Most guitar amps, pedals, PODs, etc work well with them, so it's easy to switch from a guitar without emptying your wallet.

I've been learning a few new songs of late, specifically some Beatles stuff. I can play All You Need is Love, Elanor Rigby and Maxwell's Silver Hammer. I'm not much of a singer, though, so they still sound a bit lacking without some vocals or a lead part thrown in.

To complete this conversation, I'm going to plug my favorite band at the moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjkVXzmsP78
Features a ukulele, and loop pedals. They are insanely talented. Hell, I don't even like this song, but I like their cover

I would get a uke, but my hands are pretty stupid to begin with (hence bass player) playing a chord on a guitar is damn near impossible for me, I think shrinking down the size could only make things so much worse

Actually the average bass player I know is better than the average guitarist, though that may be because EVERYBODY plays guitar (well, owns one so they could stick it on their fb page).
Although the pieces themselves usually look less complex, you gotta have good rhythm and fast hands for most stuff.

Besides you might find the transition to uke quite easy, their also 4 strings right?
Also pretty sure I heard that a C chord on a uke is just fretting one string, sounds like a good start

Haha, yeah, I love those guys. All of their covers are amazing(Especially Gianni's solo loop covers), and their original stuff is just as good.





Nah, that's a misconception. A Soprano uku, maybe, but grab a Tenor or Baritone uke and it'll be a decent size. I find it easier to play chords on a uke compared to a guitar.

Kaust has it right. A uke has four strings, and a lot of chords can be played by fretting one or two strings. In fact, here's this handy little chord chart. It's read as if you were holding the Uke upright, with the lines representing the first, second, third and fourth strings on a GCEA tuned ukulele. The dots represent which fret, the top row being the first fret and the bottom being the fifth. No dot, obviously, means it's an open chord.

Wow. Walk off the Earth does pretty well. And... Eminem has good rap lyrics. I should stop hating so often.

Eminem's a major sellout, he 'quits' his musical career to return a few years later (classic marketing) and makes an album featuring all the sort of artists he originally spoke out against. Real disappointing.
Now I'm not the sorta guy that values the integrity of the artist over the music itself, but that sorta anti-hero thing really was the best thing about him and was a major aspect of his music.

Well that may be where you live, but the only people who play guitar where I live actually like playing guitar and don't just cover songs. But there are the few exceptions, like the ones who only know 1-3 basic chords and Smoke On the Water and claim they're a musician, or only cover songs.
And I'm one of those tools who take pictures of themselves holding their guitar. I've grown rather attached to both of mine. I bring it my acoustic to school every other day and wish I had a pocket amp so I can bring my electric.

Haha it goes without saying that only a certain percent play an instrument, its just that the guitar seems to be the most common. I can only assume its the most common instrument worldwide because of the MASSIVE amounts of resources available online that simply dont exist for many other instruments.
But yeah, I also take pictures with my instruments, their my most prized possessions. What bugs me is people who say they can play guitar (its never any other instrument, weirdly) on their fbs when they can't, and a couple who I know have never even tried (despite having the instrument), simply to make themselves look interesting (fbs practically becoming a dating site round here). Now I dont think less of these people, I know they've got loads of talents I haven't...its just that I don't claim to have them.

Also, I don't see the problem with cover artists, I enjoy playing other people's music, its like listening to it but better...after the first coupla tries. I get a sort of pride playing my own but whenever I go to an open mic I hate when people play their own material. I know its a forum to be heard but I prefer to play things I think the audience will know, enjoy, and if their drunk enough, sing along =]

It's people who claim to be creative musicians when all they do is play covers that annoy me.

Oh... oh god. Relevant: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-great-things...-douchebags_p2/
Number 1 man... number 1.

I'm not one of those annoying dudes who try to make it obvious that they are playing their guitar and looking around to make sure people are paying attention. In fact, I hate it when I notice people are paying attention to me when I play. I get annoyed when people call me "guitar guy." I get annoyed when they ask me "Hey do you play guitar?" when I'm clearly holding one and I respond with "No." I'm totally going to bring my guitar to school just so people can look at me and say, "wow he must be cool" or "he must be trying to get attention." I'm all about that.

I don't understand why the writer of that article has to be so insecure about carrying a guitar around. I wouldn't necessarily give a shit if someone I never met before and was just walking down the street and saw me thought I was an attention-whoring douchebag.

Thank the lorddd!

In other news. I'm trying to get into Job Corps currently, I found out that when I get there, no leaving the school for the first 60 days. Literally, you can't leave at all, not even stepping foot outside, for a full two months.

I can bring my laptop and work on my game and stuff, but there's no wifi. They do have computer labs though with internet access, but they might block sites and if they block proxies and the bigger sites on the net, like RRR for example, you won't be seeing me online for a full year.

In addition, the only chance for me to get wifi on my laptop, is to go to a nearby town, but you can't leave the school unless it's a weekend, and that's only if there's even a town actually NEARBY. :|

...

CAN'T WAIT.

Edit: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...24224004AAtns2E

Fuck.

What is this Job Corps? Is it some focussed school that guarantees a placement at the end?

But yeah, tbh, I feel like a dick when I carry my guitar round, even though I only take it to shows. It just looks like its done needlessly, like an attempt to show off, since really if you don't want to be heard you wouldn't play it anywhere other than your home. Anyways, it forces me to stare at the ground to avoid eyecontact, and then I start walking into people, and its all just ' '

I get what you mean Parakeet, but if you said you didn't care at all you'd be lying, the street has all the those pretty girls . Otherwise you wouldn't wear whatever clothes or really do anything , it often feels like our whole existence is about massaging our egos.

I only bring my guitar with me if I'm bringing it to school or if I'm going to my friend's house to jam with our "band." I don't see the point in bringing it anywhere else unless it's a gig I would go to in the future

I got fast hands and good rhythm, so I guess that's where I have an edge or I think I do anyway.
I might look into getting a uke then. I'm already doing power chords on my acoustic guitar (technically my brother's... or my dad's... lots of instruments get passed around ) so it probably wouldn't be a terribly hard transition. Cheers

Just a little heads up for the ladies

Edit: Damn I was hoping this would be the start of a new page

No, but if you post it right after this post it will be.

Really, you should have no problem getting into a uke. It's a lot simpler. Once you pick up the chords, it all comes down to technique and practice. While I'm at it, I'll just drop this here. It's a Ukulele tab site, with tabs and playing guides for quite a large selection of Beatles songs.

Nah its not funny a second time, and entendres wear off quickly, I already semi-regret debasing myself with that post.

But yeah, The Beatles, ace band, practically taught me music. Their songs also have a diverse range of difficulties so their great for pushing yourself whether you're a pro or just starting out.

...I feel a little bad we've dominated Klok's shiny new general discussion forum with so much music though

Well, let's change it up a little, then. How 'bout that Superbowl halftime show? Madonna still has it in her, I guess.

Wat.

She messed up the lyrics, she has ugly false eyelashes, and at one point while she was dancing around, possibly lip synching (That voice is just too perfect for an over-50 woman) her boot fell down about halfway and she had to pick it up when she was out of the camera's view for a split second.

I EXPECT PERFECTION FROM MY SUPERBOWL HALFTIME SHOWS.


This.

I don't like watching the Super Bowl because all my family does is scream at the television while ridiculous ads show up.

Plus I'm not into burly dudes tackling each other and passing a ball. Or screaming at a television set for them. Or any sports for that matter. Except Starcraft.

You watch Husky, or SCHD?

Neither, I watch Day9. But my brother watched HD and Husky. I've only seen a few Husky casts.

Yeah Day9 is also pretty good. Dude, did you ever see that one that HDSC did, best game ever?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEV9niTmeOU...ture=plpp_video

Best ending ever, I'm not kidding you.

Can't say I have. In hte middle of watching Red vs Blue

Haha that was funny Klok (but then google has totally eradicated any need for conversation since all they both come down to is a transfer of information).

Yeah I'm not a big sport watching guy (though I don't mind playing now and then), all I find weird is the way people support them.
They talk about 'their' team as if they were a part of it and get in arguments so passionate that they, surprisingly frequently, end in violence.
Also, I don't know how many guys can't remember, well, anything useful, but can keep up with the scores of every match, all the transfers, every famous goal since forever. Its crazy.

That's how it is, today's generation cares more about sports than world problems.
Speaking from my experience.