Many of us roleplayers have made quite a few roleplays, or at least characters throught time, I was wondering if there would be any interest in a giant cross over, using only previously made characters from previous RPs (asside from a handful of new villains of course).
The story would be original and have NOTHING to do with any of the charcter's original rps.
All characters would still be able to use there old abilities/weapons/ect. (No Deathnote though XP) Regardless of if they had died, or there rp just died and they didn't quite get to show all there skills yet.
I know at least a few of you wish to bring back some of your old characters AND if we do this, it gives a chance to actually see some of the scenarios some of us thought of and posted in the RP award thread.
Any interest?
Trickster
Oct 21 2010, 11:08 AM
I think it would be nice for a joke and for bringing a range of concepts together, a la Smash Brothers Brawl. However ... It would be hard to take such a story seriously. That's why I think it would have to be more of a parody kind of roleplay. =| Still, I feel it has potential. =)
Ryuga
Oct 21 2010, 11:13 AM
While the idea sounds so awesome on paper, I doubt it will actually work in practice. I think that if this went through players will have fun acting out crazy senario's where the character's meet up as suggested in RM awards, but then loose interest.
What the RP needs is a solid foundation that could function despite the diverse range of characters. Balancing issues are a problem I already forsee.
But it is a neat idea, and I would certainly be onboard if we can work out the kinks.
Omnial
Oct 21 2010, 11:35 AM
Ya I havn't started anything on it, so it has more then enough time to have kinks worked out, and ya, it kinda would be quite the parody. Cross edge and trinity universe were kinda the inspiration for this idea. They seemed to have decent stories (least as far in as I got they did) and they used a handeful of joke characters. (Seriously, using Prinny? lol)
Ryuga
Oct 21 2010, 11:44 AM
I havn't played enough crossover games to make a great judgment call but I thought of two ways we can try and make this work.
1. Make up an original plot just like any other role play, preferably one where all the characters will be working together to take down a big baddy. The only twist is, this team of extraordinary individuals is comprised of previous RP characters.
2. Maybe some kind of verses senario. Select maybe two or three very successfuly RP's and produce a senario where the RP's are fighting for dominance over the other ones.
Problem I see is that both these senarios impose limitations, either in interaction, or selection of characters respectivly. But it might be better to set boundries than have everyone doing their own thing.
Satou Asahira
Nov 21 2010, 05:36 PM
I've been looking to get back into the RP community. I know I probably ruined a lot of RP's when I stopped logging into RRR for awhile(long story). I've kinda been avoiding you guys because I was ashamed of my actions. But it takes a real man to admit his mistakes and I apologize to anyone I've let down.
That being said, I would definitely join this one if you guys would have me. Also, I know this is necro-posting because it's been exactly a month since the last post but who cares. I feel it has potential and would like to see it happen.
Ryuga
Nov 21 2010, 06:28 PM
QUOTE (Satou Asahira @ Nov 21 2010, 06:36 PM)
I've been looking to get back into the RP community. I know I probably ruined a lot of RP's when I stopped logging into RRR for awhile(long story). I've kinda been avoiding you guys because I was ashamed of my actions. But it takes a real man to admit his mistakes and I apologize to anyone I've let down.
That being said, I would definitely join this one if you guys would have me. Also, I know this is necro-posting because it's been exactly a month since the last post but who cares. I feel it has potential and would like to see it happen.
Well, it seems planning topics get somewhat of a free pass when it comes to necro posting.
And it's good to see you back Satou. I'm not quite sure why you felt like you let us down, or why you felt like avoiding the RP community. Sometimes things happen, and for the most most part, we here understand that Role-playing has to be set aside.
Omnial said he'd get things worked out, but for the most part we havn't had much progress. But, it's school-time right now so I won't exactly blame him. But keep a few ideas ready, in the case that we get things moving.
Satou Asahira
Nov 21 2010, 06:45 PM
QUOTE (Ryuga @ Nov 21 2010, 06:28 PM)
QUOTE (Satou Asahira @ Nov 21 2010, 06:36 PM)
I've been looking to get back into the RP community. I know I probably ruined a lot of RP's when I stopped logging into RRR for awhile(long story). I've kinda been avoiding you guys because I was ashamed of my actions. But it takes a real man to admit his mistakes and I apologize to anyone I've let down.
That being said, I would definitely join this one if you guys would have me. Also, I know this is necro-posting because it's been exactly a month since the last post but who cares. I feel it has potential and would like to see it happen.
Well, it seems planning topics get somewhat of a free pass when it comes to necro posting.
And it's good to see you back Satou. I'm not quite sure why you felt like you let us down, or why you felt like avoiding the RP community. Sometimes things happen, and for the most most part, we here understand that Role-playing has to be set aside.
Omnial said he'd get things worked out, but for the most part we havn't had much progress. But, it's school-time right now so I won't exactly blame him. But keep a few ideas ready, in the case that we get things moving.
Thanks. I guess I felt pretty bad because looking around, I saw all of the RP's I had been posting in are dead know and thought it was my fault things ended up that way.
As for plot, the first thing that came to my mind was sort of a Dissidia Final Fantasy thing. Where something is going down and heroes from a myriad of worlds are called forth to do battle. That's all I have so far. I don't want to copy DFF exactly so I'll keep thinking about it.
Darkblade
Nov 21 2010, 06:54 PM
I think a Dissidia type story would be pretty interesting.
Considering this crossover is based on Original Role Plays, I think it would be kind of unfair to use a single world that was based on one of the RP's. Instead, I think creating a new world for the characters would be better, since then it would be kind of cool to incorporate previous unique aspects of the characters respective worlds, kind of all melted together in some kind of warped fashion.
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Well, it seems planning topics get somewhat of a free pass when it comes to necro posting.
Within reason. This one is only a day past.
Ryuga
Nov 21 2010, 07:01 PM
QUOTE (Darkblade @ Nov 21 2010, 07:54 PM)
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Well, it seems planning topics get somewhat of a free pass when it comes to necro posting.
Within reason. This one is only a day past.
Alright then. I thoughtI saw some other planning topics return to activity after the expiration date so I was just unsure. Thanks for clearing that up Darkblade.
Satou Asahira
Nov 21 2010, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Darkblade @ Nov 21 2010, 06:54 PM)
I think a Dissidia type story would be pretty interesting.
Considering this crossover is based on Original Role Plays, I think it would be kind of unfair to use a single world that was based on one of the RP's. Instead, I think creating a new world for the characters would be better, since then it would be kind of cool to incorporate previous unique aspects of the characters respective worlds, kind of all melted together in some kind of warped fashion.
Yeah, that would be pretty cool. It's gonna be tough choosing which character I wanna play. lol I have a couple of awesome characters from KH and FFXIII RP's but those aren't on this site so they don't count. xD My more memorable characters, to me at least, were from .hack, Dead Rising, S4, FFCC, Plague of the Havens, and Mass Effect. I know I've had way more but I can't really remember those. lol
Ryuga
Nov 21 2010, 07:54 PM
Well it seems like common opinion wants a blended world. Now we need an interesting backstory to explain it.
Satou, I envy you for having enough characters to not remember them all. Sucks, that I really only have two characters that have been developed to the point where I think I could make use of them.
Satou Asahira
Nov 21 2010, 08:08 PM
QUOTE (Ryuga @ Nov 21 2010, 07:54 PM)
Well it seems like common opinion wants a blended world. Now we need an interesting backstory to explain it.
Satou, I envy you for having enough characters to not remember them all. Sucks, that I really only have two characters that have been developed to the point where I think I could make use of them.
Yeah, I'll try and think about it some.
lol I've been in dozens of roleplays on a bunch of different websites over the years, this one and Myspace being my favorites. The ones on Myspace are the KH and FFXIII ones and are conducted through a series of private messages between me and a friend. Some of the RP's I've joined here didn't even have a dozen posts and some never took off. My first RP experience was Dungeons & Dragons in middle school, then forum-based RP's freshman year of high school. I've been RP'ing here for about two years. Good times. lol
Omnial
Nov 21 2010, 11:09 PM
Wow, postage.
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I've been looking to get back into the RP community. I know I probably ruined a lot of RP's when I stopped logging into RRR for awhile(long story). I've kinda been avoiding you guys because I was ashamed of my actions. But it takes a real man to admit his mistakes and I apologize to anyone I've let down.
That being said, I would definitely join this one if you guys would have me.
Satou, you are the host of the first forum based rp I have EVER joined. You are always welcome to join any rp I even have part of making
And I understand avoiding here. I am only in one rp atm, and I post in it less often then I should. Stuff happens. Good to see you again.
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Omnial said he'd get things worked out, but for the most part we havn't had much progress. But, it's school-time right now so I won't exactly blame him. But keep a few ideas ready, in the case that we get things moving.
I have been busy with work for a while, then being just plain undermotivated for everything. So story wise, not as much as I would of liked done on my end.
But my idea is more or less what you guys all thought of on your own as well, with an original world, but all the characters from previous places. The thought more or less came from Cross Edge and Trinity Universe. (Both are excellent imo)
I was also questioning weither characters should have memory of their home worlds. They could know who they are, and recognise if they have ties to others, but other than that, no real memories.
Satou Asahira
Nov 21 2010, 11:41 PM
QUOTE (Omnial @ Nov 21 2010, 11:09 PM)
Satou, you are the host of the first forum based rp I have EVER joined. You are always welcome to join any rp I even have part of making
And I understand avoiding here. I am only in one rp atm, and I post in it less often then I should. Stuff happens. Good to see you again.
Then that would be...the first .hack one, right? That was a hella long time ago. lol Good to see you too again.
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I have been busy with work for a while, then being just plain undermotivated for everything. So story wise, not as much as I would of liked done on my end.
But my idea is more or less what you guys all thought of on your own as well, with an original world, but all the characters from previous places. The thought more or less came from Cross Edge and Trinity Universe. (Both are excellent imo)
I was also questioning weither characters should have memory of their home worlds. They could know who they are, and recognise if they have ties to others, but other than that, no real memories.
I think that they should have some memories. A little hazy to give that sense of "wtf is going on?" feel, but still retain some. Other than that, I can't offer anymore input at the moment. I will mull it over the next few days and get back to you.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 22 2010, 01:43 PM
Am I the only one who wants to make a mock-serious RP. Mix up the worlds: It's a semi-virtual wonderland with great seas, skies, magics, but with dark noir cities and governments. Technologies that put sci-fi to shame, but sunsets that blow your mind. Several groups battle for control of 'The Forum' a mystical place capable of creating anything just from imagination. Each of these groups is led by a 'dream seeker', a person nearly incapable of death, who can see things coming before they happen and is capable of altering events around them (within reason). The first Dream Seeker is called: CAPTAIN SPARROWSMITH
Yes, we Roleplay as ourselves. We each create a character with an augmentation of our own R3 Username, then we control a crew or team of our RP characters and battle with each other for the forum. Cptn Sparrowsmith, and his parrot RoRow, aboard their ship 'The Philosopher', equipped with a mismatched crew: Damien - a magician and scholar of the arcane Daniel - an ex-mafia business man Dick and Dom - twin children mages, wielders of the black and white magics Lawrence - a gambling time abuser Chase and Trace - Two ex-detectives, masters of strategy and logical deduction etc etc
This is just an example made of my RP characters. The basic idea is that we pit all our RP characters against each other, and have them die. The only characters that are protected from death are our Dream Seekers (or whatever) which are our personas (Sparrowsmith in my case) which can only be killed once the rest of the team is gone. Think of it as a Chess game, or some kind of Rock Paper Scissors. Some characters can beat others, but the king can only be taken when it is exposed...
I reckon this could be pretty darn fun.
Nicsp
Nov 22 2010, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Sparrowsmith @ Nov 22 2010, 07:43 PM)
Am I the only one who wants to make a mock-serious RP. Mix up the worlds: It's a semi-virtual wonderland with great seas, skies, magics, but with dark noir cities and governments. Technologies that put sci-fi to shame, but sunsets that blow your mind. Several groups battle for control of 'The Forum' a mystical place capable of creating anything just from imagination. Each of these groups is led by a 'dream seeker', a person nearly incapable of death, who can see things coming before they happen and is capable of altering events around them (within reason). The first Dream Seeker is called: CAPTAIN SPARROWSMITH
Yes, we Roleplay as ourselves. We each create a character with an augmentation of our own R3 Username, then we control a crew or team of our RP characters and battle with each other for the forum. Cptn Sparrowsmith, and his parrot RoRow, aboard their ship 'The Philosopher', equipped with a mismatched crew: Damien - a magician and scholar of the arcane Daniel - an ex-mafia business man Dick and Dom - twin children mages, wielders of the black and white magics Lawrence - a gambling time abuser Chase and Trace - Two ex-detectives, masters of strategy and logical deduction etc etc
This is just an example made of my RP characters. The basic idea is that we pit all our RP characters against each other, and have them die. The only characters that are protected from death are our Dream Seekers (or whatever) which are our personas (Sparrowsmith in my case) which can only be killed once the rest of the team is gone. Think of it as a Chess game, or some kind of Rock Paper Scissors. Some characters can beat others, but the king can only be taken when it is exposed...
I reckon this could be pretty darn fun.
I actually do like that idea, although i'm afraid Spirit's collection of sociopaths is going to cut through a lot of other characters like butter. -sweatdrop-
Sparrowsmith
Nov 22 2010, 03:01 PM
That's the beauty of us RPing as ourselves though, we have control over the characters motivations. Our characters are inventions of us, so if I wanted to turn Damien into a sociopath all I have to do is give him motivation. "Hey Damien, those spells you studied under Arthur, these are the only people you'll ever be justified to use them on. Wouldn't it be a waste not to?" "Good idea, Sparrow." *turns into a walking, talking, exploding man made of plasma, electrifying, frying, burning and eviscerating everything that moves*
For the sake of keeping things interesting, we also have the ability to create 'foot soldiers' but they are destroyed as soon as they are interfered with (breaking a sword, piercing the flesh, etc, anything that alters the image significantly). This could be a really interesting idea. Not to mention the world will be filled with people, so sometimes it will work to your advantage to be the 'good guy' so that you can get aid or call in favors from people. It's basically a RP set in every writer's dreamland, where anything and everything is possible. It's even part digital (So the hack players can get in on it) which doesn't even have to be explained.
Only the dream seekers know what is really going on, that it is simply a made up world, all other characters are either inventions, projections or figments.
Inventions - fully developed characters created by Dream Seekers. They have abilities and can practically warp reality. Given enough energy a Dream Seeker can resurrect them or invent wholly new ones (for the sake of consistency we'll have to put a limit on how many are alive at once for each person)
Projections - Foot soldiers of the Dream Seekers. They can serve any immediate purpose but are destroyed if their image distorts (You can create them set fire to a forest, but if they get wet then they're image has changed and they'll be destroyed. Strong winds, water, fire, dust, basically anything that changes their appearance causes them to disappear forever. They have no personalities or specific abilities, but can be created with certain traits.
Figments - 'Real' people that live within the world. They have personalities, and are capable of becoming dream seekers - but most of them are lost within the dream land, forever. They still have influence and power within the world though, and can be valuable allies.
I'm getting carried away, other people should have a say in this
Omnial
Nov 22 2010, 04:29 PM
I for one, am against that idea. gives players too many charcters (or can), And putting us into the actual roleplay is a bad idea also. Doing so would greatly raise the chance of god modding or personal disputes.
Ryuga
Nov 22 2010, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (Omnial @ Nov 22 2010, 05:29 PM)
I for one, am against that idea. gives players too many charcters (or can), And putting us into the actual roleplay is a bad idea also. Doing so would greatly raise the chance of god modding or personal disputes.
It goes against the re-use of characters doesn't it?
But I really like part of the foundation Sparrow proposed. The setting being the forums and having the concept of "Dream seekers." Though they would have to be specific RP characters than ourselves.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 22 2010, 05:05 PM
QUOTE (Ryuga @ Nov 23 2010, 12:46 AM)
QUOTE (Omnial @ Nov 22 2010, 05:29 PM)
I for one, am against that idea. gives players too many charcters (or can), And putting us into the actual roleplay is a bad idea also. Doing so would greatly raise the chance of god modding or personal disputes.
It goes against the re-use of characters doesn't it?
But I really like part of the foundation Sparrow proposed. The setting being the forums and having the concept of "Dream seekers." Though they would have to be specific RP characters than ourselves.
Yeah, the dream seekers was a spur of the moment thing. Give me more time and I'd have a less cliche sounding name. It's basically a mixture of inception and forum role-play, why not make a role play about creating a role play? Just like Nolan made a film about film making.
i admit, it does leave room for ALOT of character (which Is why I say limit it to about three per person, or maybe four) but more characters means more activity. Maybe start it with only being aloud one character, then as time goes by let people make more characters. I think god modding could be a problem but this is an RP for the RP veterans, if you can have three characters without ever being accused of god modding, why ruin it on the best one? Basically: We're all experienced RPers We're capable of warning each other We do have a very reliable RP mod who can catch anyone out for god modding
I think we can handle this. Can't the RP veterans get together and dream up an impressive RP without worrying about godmodding?
Ryuga
Nov 22 2010, 05:43 PM
QUOTE (Sparrowsmith @ Nov 22 2010, 06:05 PM)
Yeah, the dream seekers was a spur of the moment thing. Give me more time and I'd have a less cliche sounding name. It's basically a mixture of inception and forum role-play, why not make a role play about creating a role play? Just like Nolan made a film about film making.
i admit, it does leave room for ALOT of character (which Is why I say limit it to about three per person, or maybe four) but more characters means more activity. Maybe start it with only being aloud one character, then as time goes by let people make more characters. I think god modding could be a problem but this is an RP for the RP veterans, if you can have three characters without ever being accused of god modding, why ruin it on the best one? Basically: We're all experienced RPers We're capable of warning each other We do have a very reliable RP mod who can catch anyone out for god modding
I think we can handle this. Can't the RP veterans get together and dream up an impressive RP without worrying about godmodding?
It's not really the god-modding thing I'm worried about. It's just that if we bring ourselves into the role-play and have our characters be our underlings, I think it will stifle character development.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 23 2010, 10:42 AM
I guess that could happen, but it's not exactly canon anyway. The only 'real' characters are ourselves. But they're not really us, if you'd be more comfortable doing it then build up an entire new character and have them be your dream seeker. It's more about representation than being an actual carbon copy of ourselves. For example, my guy would be Captain Sparrowsmith, an eccentric Sky Pirate born and raised in the noir metropolis, he broke free from the shackles of the establishment that made no sense and hijacked an air vessel. Beginning to realize that none of the laws of the world made sense, he went in search of answers. He found it in a group known only as the circle of suns, the sons and scholars of rich parents. Through them he learnt of a philosophy that the world is a dream, and from there he abandons the group and begins practice dismantling and creating dreams, eventually perfecting his first creation, RoRow (might as well make up new RP characters while we're at it) and then continuing onto Damien and his other crew.
I think there's room for development in Sparrowsmith, just not in his creations. I think it's better because a lot of the RPs are still running, and if we have a crossover with development then the two characters will become stray apart. I vote that we base our characters on our other characters, but don't carbon copy them (Damien is Sparrow's representation of scholars and the discovery of magic- inventing. Damien has never heard of Welstram, or Franklyn, he's simply a mage with Damien's looks and personality. The inventions are only as developed as the Dream Seeker wants them to be)
At the end of the day we could set it up and see how it works, not like it would hurt to try.
Omnial
Nov 23 2010, 11:43 AM
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I think it's better because a lot of the RPs are still running,
I'm sorry, LOL. Thats funny. XD
I am starting to piece together a possible backstory for the mixed RP. As soon as I can make the illogical logic logical, I'll post it up and see what everyone else thinks.
And I have a suggestion, Why not have everyone with ideas of the story all submit them, then we amungst ourselves poll which we prefure (unless you guys would rather public poll.) Opinions?
Sparrowsmith
Nov 23 2010, 01:18 PM
WoA... WoA is still running
and yeah, I think everyone should post an idea, mine is up, why shouldn't everyone else be able to I'm all about the collaboration and compromise.
Ryuga
Nov 23 2010, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (Sparrowsmith @ Nov 23 2010, 11:42 AM)
I guess that could happen, but it's not exactly canon anyway. The only 'real' characters are ourselves. But they're not really us, if you'd be more comfortable doing it then build up an entire new character and have them be your dream seeker. It's more about representation than being an actual carbon copy of ourselves. For example, my guy would be Captain Sparrowsmith, an eccentric Sky Pirate born and raised in the noir metropolis, he broke free from the shackles of the establishment that made no sense and hijacked an air vessel. Beginning to realize that none of the laws of the world made sense, he went in search of answers. He found it in a group known only as the circle of suns, the sons and scholars of rich parents. Through them he learnt of a philosophy that the world is a dream, and from there he abandons the group and begins practice dismantling and creating dreams, eventually perfecting his first creation, RoRow (might as well make up new RP characters while we're at it) and then continuing onto Damien and his other crew.
I think there's room for development in Sparrowsmith, just not in his creations. I think it's better because a lot of the RPs are still running, and if we have a crossover with development then the two characters will become stray apart. I vote that we base our characters on our other characters, but don't carbon copy them (Damien is Sparrow's representation of scholars and the discovery of magic- inventing. Damien has never heard of Welstram, or Franklyn, he's simply a mage with Damien's looks and personality. The inventions are only as developed as the Dream Seeker wants them to be)
At the end of the day we could set it up and see how it works, not like it would hurt to try.
See your senario negates the point of a crossover. We wanted to produce scenario's where characters who would otherwise never interact are placed together in the same room, and change and grow as a result. Not a senario where we send our creations to mindlessly do battle. The senario you propose would be more like RRR the roleplay, which while may be entertaining, isn't exactly the goal here, or at least that's what I think.
Zackwell
Nov 23 2010, 03:18 PM
I kinda missed all the discussion in between. Just chipping in to say, I'd do this RP. :3
Satou Asahira
Nov 24 2010, 06:05 PM
Sparrowsmith's idea is rather intriguing. It could be fun as long as we limit the number of RP characters, which was already mentioned. I'm willing to bet a fair amount of imaginary money that I have the most RP characters here. lol I have all sorts of characters too. But I'm willing to give this one a try.
Something that I'm thinking of is like a being of great power is, for some reason or another, gathering essences from many worlds to create his own utopia. Characters from those broken worlds find themselves in the twisted utopia and band together to try and stop him and fix their worlds. There would also be room for "evil" characters to ally themselves with the being. Each RP'er would only control one of their previous characters, retaining their personality and abilities, while having the opportunity to grow and learn new ones.
It's still a really rough idea though. If anyone else likes it, I can work on it some more.
Xamusel
Nov 24 2010, 06:18 PM
I like it, but I don't have any characters to play in this world... sorry, but I just don't.
I'd play if I was more active in the RPs, but that's just it, I wasn't active in this site for a long time!!
Ryuga
Nov 24 2010, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (Xamusel_Uzumaki @ Nov 24 2010, 07:18 PM)
I like it, but I don't have any characters to play in this world... sorry, but I just don't.
I'd play if I was more active in the RPs, but that's just it, I wasn't active in this site for a long time!!
I'm sure you can write yourself in somehow if you want to participate. Or join an RP before this starts so you have a character build or something.
Anyways, here is my sort of idea.
spoiler
Jackal lay on the ground, blood pouring out of his wounds. Ice had been pulling the strings since the very beginning. If only Houston were still alive, than the case may have turned out differently. The light slowly faded from his eyes. Jackal could feel his grip on life slipping already. "At least I got to work on one of the worlds greatest cases before I retired. I just wish it wasn't a permanent retirement," he thought before all form of life left him.
--- Jackal waited in the line to get past airline security. Like always he was taken aside for a more thorough search. "It's the eyepatch isn't it?" he said to the security guard. The guard shrugged. "Sorry man, but a job is a job," he replied and went on with his duties.
It had been days until Jackal had made some real progress on getting contacts. While leaving the police department, he spotted a flier looking for private detectives interested in the Kira case. "Might as well give it a shot," he mumbled as he searched his pockets for his cellular. He dialed the number and waited for a reply. As the phone rang, something clicked in Jackal's mind. [i]"Wait a second! This happened before! The person who's going to pick up is Ice, the detective who turns out to be... His train of thought was interupted as the reciever picked up. "Hello," Jackal paused. "Wait... wha...? What was I thinking about again?" "Hello?" "Oh! I saw a flier about the Kira case. "If you're in Japan and interested in the case, meet us at the cafe. We're having a little meeting right now. Got anything to say? be quick about it cause I'm having one heck of a day."
--- Jackal pushed his way through the panicing civilians as he tried to reach Ice. "Kira. I may be a dead man, but I will do whatever I can in my power to bring you down... wait. I swear I've experience this before. That's right, Track shoots me while aiming for Kira." Before Jackal could react however, the events had come to pass. He looked down to find himself bleeding from his chest. "No!" he screamed before collapsing to the ground.
--- Jackal arrived at the cafe,. Walking in, he realized he had indication of who he was supposed to meet with this person. He made another call but, quickly terminated it as soon as he heard someones phone ring over by the corner. As soon as he spotted the detectives, it felt like his vision was set to zoom. He could see the men sitting chatting away as images of the future filled his mind yet again. That's right, there was Track, , and Ice... Kira. Jackal placed his hand into his jacket, ready to pull out his gun. He could end this whole case here, at the expense of being a murderer. A small price to pay. He slowly approached the two. Ice looked up. "Can I help you?" Jackal released his grip on the gun. What was he doing again? "Um... I presume you're the ones investigating Kira?"
---
"Why?!" screamed Jackal as he knelt before the rubble that was once the cafe. "Why?! Why?! Why?! Why?! Why?!" This was the fifth cycle now. Every time the memories of his past life continued to grow stronger. It was to the point where Jackal could forsee every event that would happen in the case. At first he thought he was destined to catch Kira, and that this hellish cycle would end when he did. But no matter how solid his memories were, he could never prevent the sequence of events that would occur. He felt like a puppet and he had no control over his destiny.
Eventually Jackal found himself typing the notes on his case. The last e-mail he would send in his life. "Why am I even doing this? It's never going to amount to anything!" he yelled as he flipped the keybord over in frustration. Leaving his mail unfinished Jackal curled up into the corner and cried. "Is this hell?! Some cruel dimension where I'm constantly reminded of my shortcomings?! Why!? Oh, why... God?! Why won't you leave me in peace?!"
It was as if his prayers were suddenly answered. The wall before him began to dissolve revealing a gateway of light which nearly blinded him. Jackal instictively stepped forward, wanting to leave his hellish existance. What awaited on the other side was an relm of data coloured of white and blue.
"Well, it seems we have another 'Awake'," Jackal heard a voice say. He turned to the voice to find a young man in black, with raven-like wings. "Is this the afterlife?" asked Jackal. The man chuckled. "I wish. No. This isn't the afterlife. Let's just cut to the chase. To put it lightly your entire existance has been a game to beings outside this relm. You are one of the few 'characters' that have broken free from your life of fiction." Jackal was taken aback, but attempted to converse from what he could piece together. "You mean... like I'm some rendered sprite in some guys gameboy?" "Not exactly, but we'll run with that for now. I know this must all feel crazy to you right now. But anyway, I believe some introductions are in order. I'm Andrew Lark. Welcome to RRR."
I suppose you could compare my senario with the Matrix and Star Ocean 3. And I don't exactly have much of a plot after that. Just throwing ideas out there for now.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 25 2010, 07:10 AM
I like this idea more (Ryuga's) and I can see where you're coming from now. I had planned in my RP for the 'inventions' to eventually develop minds of their own and rebel against the seekers (or join with them) rather than just be meaningless - but I think I prefer the idea that the characters have room for growth. At the same time though, wouldn't a detective like Jackal feel a bit distraught if he realized his entire existence was fake? A detective who doesn't exist has no real basis on which to say what is and isn't real - then again that would just be the fun of the role play. Almost every RP character I've seen has some kind of order or 'definitive truth' that governs their life, if that were shattered there could be some interesting repercussions.
Ryuga
Nov 25 2010, 09:59 AM
Well, what I posted was just an intro to scratch the surface. Of course there would be major reprecussions for realizing one's existance is "fake" as we put it. I just thought I would save something like that for an actual RP than make this prototype intro longer than it already is.
Satou Asahira
Nov 25 2010, 03:11 PM
The main thing I liked about Sparrowsmith's idea was having multiple characters on a team. Borealis, Abel Mikami, Akira Saizo, Sigmund and Sieglinde. I could do some damage with that lineup. lol
Ryuga has a pretty cool idea. I'd like to see how some of those characters above would react to it.
Ryuga
Nov 25 2010, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (Satou Asahira @ Nov 25 2010, 04:11 PM)
The main thing I liked about Sparrowsmith's idea was having multiple characters on a team. Borealis, Abel Mikami, Akira Saizo, Sigmund and Sieglinde. I could do some damage with that lineup. lol
Ryuga has a pretty cool idea. I'd like to see how some of those characters above would react to it.
Well my biggest fear with having multiple characters is that we add too much complexity to the role play. Not everyone is famiular with every character so it could stifle interaction when people are unsure who they are talking too. Not that having multiple characters is a bad thing. I'd rather just limited to 2 or 3 so that we can portray the growth of few characters, so that everyone can follow along. Also, its not impossible to add more characters after you feel you've developed one of them to the point where you feel things are getting stale. But having a team of 5 right off the bat is intimidating.
There are certain elements I like from both you and Sparrow's ideas. The whole build a utopia, and the rebel/join the creators, respectively. I wonder if we could integrate them.
Satou Asahira
Nov 25 2010, 03:40 PM
Yeah, I'd like having 2 or 3 characters. I'm sure we could integrate them. After they wake up in "the real world", there is a group known as the Dream Seekers who are trying to create a perfect utopia for them by wiping out the rest of humanity. The characters can then choose to ally with them, guaranteeing their safety while being force to work against the rest of the group, or rebel against them and fight for their survival.
Or something of that nature. lol That's just the first thing that popped into my head.
Omnial
Nov 25 2010, 06:00 PM
I'm really liking most of the ideas you guys are coming up with. =D
My original idea more or less went along with the ide of a malicious force brining them all together for its own purpose / gain. Each characters worlds being actually real and them being ripped away from them. Other than that, Brain fart XD
But I really like the idea of characters having a chance to be good or evil side, regardless of what they were in their original rp.
I agree with the limit of 3 people. I'm still a bit iffy with the idea of dream seekers. Why not let those be characters for those who want join but don't have characters on RRR ?
Satou Asahira
Nov 25 2010, 06:28 PM
Your idea is kind of along the same vein as what I was originally thinking Omnial. Though some of these new ones seem rather interesting as well.
Something else I was kinda thinking about is character lending. Like what if I had a character that I didn't want to use and someone else was needing a character so I send them a more detailed bio and let them take control of that character for this RP. This offer would only be for those with less than three characters on this site, however.
Ryuga
Nov 25 2010, 06:37 PM
Not a big fan of lending characters. It would likely result in out-of-character moments. And the Dream seeker for new RPer is also a no-no. We have to think about backstory here. If we had a seperate entity from the characters of role-plays, we shift the focus onto them. Counterproductive to what this RP wants to accomplish.
Instead, for new players, I propose the regular template. You know.
Name, Age, yatayata...
But have a seperate backstory section. Just make up a basic Roleplay that doesn't exist (not in too much detail, just enough to serve the purpose) say it was from waaaaaaay long ago, and write yourself in from there.
Xamusel
Nov 26 2010, 02:54 PM
That, my friend, is my saving grace here!! Thank you!!
Satou Asahira
Nov 26 2010, 03:50 PM
Alright, now it just seems like we have to decide on a storyline. Or a good way to integrate all of the ideas we've mentioned. I proposed something but not sure how good that'll work.
Ryuga
Nov 26 2010, 10:59 PM
Well, since people were interested, I would think my idea should make up the intro or starting point. Now the direction we want to take is what matters. Do we want the now self aware characters to build a utopia free from RRR? or are they going to try and enter the real world for revenge or power? Maybe both?
I think we need some kind of leader for the first part of the RP. Someone who most people talk to when they become self aware. He/she has his own ideals, while we can have our own to compare and contrast.
Satou Asahira
Nov 26 2010, 11:37 PM
Omnial, since it's his RP. He'd be the deity that rules over the digital world, so to speak.
Ryuga
Nov 27 2010, 12:01 AM
QUOTE (Satou Asahira @ Nov 27 2010, 12:37 AM)
Omnial, since it's his RP. He'd be the deity that rules over the digital world, so to speak.
More like a sheperd than a diety. But otherwise I like that.
Now we just need Omnial's input and I think we almost have ourselves a roleplay.
Satou Asahira
Nov 27 2010, 12:15 AM
Sounds good. lol Now I just have to decide who to use. xD I know two for sure. The third is still up in the air.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 27 2010, 06:41 AM
What if the Dream Seekers are people who believe that the world does not end once they leave the virtual reality, what if they believe there must be another world outside of that one. That the game has just begun. If any imaginable game has characters that think they're real and can 'wake up' then what if someone designs that exact concept into a game? People would 'wake up' but not actually be awake.
Ryuga
Nov 27 2010, 09:36 AM
QUOTE (Sparrowsmith @ Nov 27 2010, 07:41 AM)
What if the Dream Seekers are people who believe that the world does not end once they leave the virtual reality, what if they believe there must be another world outside of that one. That the game has just begun. If any imaginable game has characters that think they're real and can 'wake up' then what if someone designs that exact concept into a game? People would 'wake up' but not actually be awake.
That seems to just add an unnecessary level of complexity to the RP. Sure we could have characters have mental breakdowns because all they start thinking that way. But you have to ask, "what's the point of making it a major plot line?" So what are the dream seekers going to do? Wreak havok on the real world so that they can supposedly "wake up" and continue to ascend? Are we going to add another dimension abouve the real world dimension.Or, what happens when the Dream seekers finally realize that they're stuck? Sure, it may be interesting to explore that concept. But it should just be a small group of characters who have just lost it to paranoia, rather than be the main focus.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 27 2010, 11:52 AM
what if... The dream seekers were originally programmers, they wrote the games that our RP characters were a part of. When the characters started waking up, they flipped and went AWOL becoming (virtually) a terrorist group. They are hell bent on re-creating scenes from their games to try and wake up. That's where we come in. For our RP characters to find out what they really are, they have to track down their creators. And it just so happens that the best people qualified for tracking down the Dream Seekers, are our RP characters. This is purely optional. An awoken character is permitted to do whatever they want, but those interested in tracking down their creators are given liberty to by the government.
Complicated and convoluted, yes, but it's an idea. Furthermore, some of the 'awoken' are damaged, which means that certain parts of their adventures (usually towards the end ) are either missing or corrupted in their minds. This means that the Dream Seekers can effectively lay traps for our characters that they've never even experienced. Just an idea I would be glad to hear alternatives
Ryuga
Nov 27 2010, 12:09 PM
Well I really like the idea of our characters searching for their creators. That was kind of the approach I wanted to enter at some point when I wrote my intro. And characters having damaged memories make sense. We can tie it in with the fact that some RP's go unfinished or something.
But I have a difficult time grasping the rest of your post. So the awake want to recreate scenes from their RP to awaken again? Like in the real world? And why would the characters need permission from the government to find dreamseekers/creators?
We should probably flesh out the world of RRR too. So far we have an idea what we want to do in the real world, but undecided on what happens in RRR after the awakening. I was thinking the world is divided into three or more planes.
The roleplay: The lowest level. Self explanatory. RRR: The level above the roleplay. Where characters that have awakened usually end up. What happens here, we have yet to decide upon. Our world: Possibly the highest level. Where the characters meet with their creators or do something. World +: Not something I want to add, Could be a real plane for story purposes, or just a concept for the paranoid.
This way the 3 act structure of a story sort of establishes itself. 1. Characters awaken and slowly rediscover themselves. 2. Characters ascend into the next plane. 3. Characters resolve matters with their creators/ resolve the problems in world+.
Sparrowsmith
Nov 27 2010, 12:38 PM
I don't want to introduce a world+ What I mean is that the creators, having physically created AI accidently through game constructions, no longer believe they live in the real world. The first 'awakening' was just a digital glitch, a random code that started acting of its own accord. The technology existed to transplant this into a machine (or other) and the first 'awake' person came about. Later on the technology to create actual bodies came about, and so all 'awoken' characters were given physical manifestations of themselves to inhabit.
There has to be a bridge between the digital and the physical...
Anyway. The creators become certain that there is another world, and that they can reach it by acting outside of their usual behavior - just like their creations. The government has an on going investigation to finding them, but too many people support the theory that the creators have too many resources to be caught. However, their creations have had remarkable success at guessing their patterns - probably because they are pieces of their creators.
The characters do not require government permission, per se, but the government likes to be informed if the characters have an interest in pursuing their creators. They have an exchange of information between themselves and the awoken characters. If the characters send them theories or information, they receive information in return, but they are not required to work or even contact the government. it should also be noted that not all creators are working together, and several were in charge of different games, and of course they worked in groups creating the character AIs, so we can hunt them down and catch them without bringing down the whole story at once.
I'll use an example: Damien 'wakes up' and is informed as to what is going on. He spends time adapting in a virtual 'in between' space while a body is genetically constructed for him (It should be noted that these bodies are unstable, and rarely last a decade. Many choose to remain as artificial specs, as the journey to the physical world is one way) once in the real world, Damien takes an interest in his creators. He finds out that three of them worked intrinsically on his character. One has already been caught and is imprisoned. He visits this one (who has been calmed back down in to believing reality is real) and he informs Damien that the other two were planning on using Damien's darkest moments for their attacks. Damien deduces that they're going to target a ship full of criminals, and burn them. He manages to find a ship transporting criminals, etc
That's just one plot line that could play out, but for the real thing we'd work in groups and the plots would be more complicated...
Ryuga
Nov 27 2010, 01:19 PM
Glad to hear we are on the same page for world+.
But the only point I can agree with your senario is exploring the reprucssions through the reactions of programmers, or role-players after they realize they've created artificial life.
The rest doesn't feel coherant. I mean the underlying premise is that we have a bunch of role-playing characters suddenly becoming sentient. As a result the these programmers and role-players decide to irrationally mimic character's actions to find another world which may not exist. The government believes the best way to solve this problem is to create artificial bodies to send this newly discovered self-aware AI to track these people down.
You're right, there should be a bridge between the digital and reality. But this is a fantasy. We don't need a reality-rooted method to get the fictious characters into the real world. And what about the characters with a form of super-power. Are we going to negate those?
And why would the government allow self-aware AI into the real world? If anything they would be likely to try and contain it, fearing a digital takeover, or out of interest for studying.
I feel that the jump to the real world should be part of the goal, not just handed to us. I was hoping that the first-half of this role-play should be the growth of characters as they explore the fantasy's of their creators before reaching an initial belief. They can still grow and change there minds when they enter the real world, or when they meet their creators. But again, this is a crossover roleplay. And we want the ideals of characters from other roleplays to clash before they begin taking greater action in the real world.
If I were to redo your senario it would look more like this.
1. Characters awaken. 2. Characters meet other characters. Explore other role-plays, and create an initial impression of their creators. 3. Characters join factions aligning with their beliefs, and recuit other characters. Perhaps we have a clash of ideals somewhere in this phase. 4. Characters find a way to enter the real world. 5. Characters attempt to find their creators, while confronting other factions and the government. 6. Characters find their creators. 7. Character-creator resolution 8. End? Of course 5-7 can be repeated for each character.
EDIT:
So a sample would be something like.
Andrew Lark awakens from his roleplay. He teams up with another character, observing RP's that are going on, and exploring previous RP's to form an opinion on his creator. Along the way he discovers Jackal has awakened and recruits him. His existance in the roleplay, and his existance as a fictious character are conflicted, and over time Andrew goes insane and decides that the only way to affirm his existance is to kill his creator. Jackal, not sharing the same views, ends his partnership with Andrew. Through means I have yet to think of, Andrew and his followers find their way into the real world, and begin to hunt down anyone who matches the description of their creators. Another group, opposed to Andrews ideas, attempt to stop him. Eventually Andrew does find his creator. After some expositional conversation, Andrew kill his creator on the spot. Jackal, morified that he is no longer able to gain answers from his creator, engages Andrew and kills him. Jackal unable to find meaning in the real world, decides to end it all and kill himself.
Okay so that was a rather pessimistic direction of the story, but I hope that gets the point across.
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) are either missing or corrupted in their minds. This means that the Dream Seekers can effectively lay traps for our characters that they've never even experienced.