Ephiam
Sep 21 2009, 07:21 PM
Dragon Fantasy: VenaituraThis is an epic tale involving four youths and their struggle to bring down a power-hungry man bent on the total annihilation of the demon race. Lead by an overwhelming display of both fear and madness, the self-proclaimed "Dark King" has given rise to the dreaded fortress of Venaitura in order to exact justice against the grotesque and pale-faced monstrosities of the Dark World. However, things are not as they appear...
Accompany Aaron, a young and local hero, along with his sister Buima; Reynold, Aaron`s stalker; and Fern, a wanderer on their quest through the dreaded fortress in an adventure that may have a deeper meaning than first implied.
Fight against hordes of monsters, solve the mysteries of the dark palace, and collect items to gain stats all the while inching closer and closer to the final goal: the Dark King himself! Will Aaron and his group of unlikely heroes manage to overthrow the Dark King and bring salvation to the Demon race? Only you can decide!
Main new features:-High-quality MP3 tunes that add a certain flair that can't be replicated through MIDI's and NES-esque music.
-No more Leveling up! In this game you BUY your stats from an Item Salesman and choose which stat you wish to increase! Choose wisely...and carefully!
-No random encounters! Touch-encounters are in! Woot!
-Deeper storyline. Experience a much deeper story than any of the other Dragon Fantasies before it!
Screenshots!
Experience many great character cut-ins in where some of the major characters of the game reveal to you vital plot-points and even challenge Aaron and his party to terrifying duels!

Battle against hordes of monstrous entities who are set on bringing you down! Also, experience the great touch-encounter system! No more random battles. Want to skip a battle? Then run straight on passed the dumbfounded creature! But be warned...run from too many battles and you'll be in poor shape for the higher levels of the Fortress!

Explore the beautiful--yet deadly--fortress of the Goddess Celes in all of its new-found spledor.

Learn of the dreaded Dark King and his gruesome plans involving the total annihilation of the Demon race!
Download Link!http://rpgmaker.net/games/1379/
Craze
Sep 22 2009, 03:53 AM
Looks interesting enough. I'll give it a shot; I like the Dragon Fantasy series.
Garlyle
Sep 22 2009, 09:12 AM
I endorse this game. It's not out of any ulterior motives, but because I really enjoyed it.
I would review it, but for various reasons I feel my impartiality would be a difficult thing to maintain.
Ephiam
Sep 22 2009, 10:54 AM
Yus. Do not let its NES graphics fool you! It feels (almost) nothing like an NES game. It's sort of an odd little project compiled of a bunch of strange and different things. Still, I'm glad I've got Garlyle's support! Bwa ha ha.
Oi, and Gralyle, I've gone and added a nifty little opening sequence in to the game instead of having it just start off with the Dark King's rant. I've also added an optional area, a new storyline sequence after progressing through the Demon Society, and ...I think that's it. And that's also another few reasons as to why it wouldn't be wise for you to review it...unless it was based off of the stuff you yourself experience. God, I'd love another one by you. =O
But oh well. Let's see who the taker (if any) will be!
Anywhoo, have fun everyone! I know that I did creating it.
Garlyle
Sep 23 2009, 10:08 AM
Oh. Well, damn, now I've gotta play it again. Just kidding, I don't mind :3
Ephiam
Sep 24 2009, 03:50 PM
Huh? Wha~? Kiddin' about what? Bah ha ha ha ha. I'm lost, see! I've not a clue what we're talking about here. You're kiddin' about playing it again? About not minding the new stuff? About...? I am lost, good sir! Guide me in the right direction!
LarsonCreativity
Sep 27 2009, 04:50 PM
This looks interesting, and I'm going to download it right away.
~LC~
Ephiam
Sep 28 2009, 02:00 PM
You know, overall this game didn't really receive all that much attention. does the name "Dragon Fantasy" put people off, or is it the graphics? Ha ha. I see that there are over 100+ downloads, and yet there are hardly ANY comments to be found on any site! I'm....confuzzled!
Anywhoo, thanks for the download, LC! Let's just hope you're not one to download and not return!
LarsonCreativity
Oct 3 2009, 08:16 AM
It was a pretty good game, and it's a shame it doesn't have many comments. I for one like the graphics (I've always been a sucker for NES), and I also enjoy how you have to buy your stats rather than gain them the traditional way. The soundtrack was marvelous, and did not show any signs of clashing with the retro atmosphere. I was kept entertained for a good while, and I can't wait to see what you will cook up next.

~LC~
Ephiam
Oct 3 2009, 12:59 PM
Bua ha ha ha ha! Awesome. I was a bit hesitant to make the stat-gaining system the way it was, but it was surprisingly good! You'd think that it'd be easily abused and broken, but to my astonishment...it wasn't! It's actually quite hard to break if you're trying to level all of your characters up and not just a single person.
Thank you for playing. However, I'm going to have to ask you another question: How was the story? What'd you think of it all? You know...the characters, the happenings, the ending, etc. What's your opinion on it all?
LarsonCreativity
Oct 3 2009, 06:00 PM
Tell you what, before I answer those questions I want to go back and play through it again. I played your game last week, so before I answer I want to refresh, and get a more detailed play. I'll tell you this though, because this lays fresh in my mind. I loved how the characters interacted with each other. You had Aaron who was the confident hero, then you had his somewhat doubting level headed sister, then there was the man who was basically in love with Aaron (someone who would change his morals just to agree with him), and then of course Fern who sorta completed the mix. Now, if you will excuse me, back into the world of Venaitura.
~LC~
Ephiam
Oct 4 2009, 05:12 PM
Hm? Really? Are you INSANE, or did you just really like the game that much? I mean, sure, it's not all that long, but I didn't think my question would warrant another play-through! That's awesome. Ha ha ha.
Did you happen to complete the Optional part of the game (and its two bosses) during your first time through it? I made a little mistake and because of it the music that plays during the optional battle plays in all battles after that one. Haa. But oh well, it's nothing too serious!
Can't wait to see your opinion on it all.
Dark Gaia
Oct 5 2009, 08:19 PM
Ah, another Dragon Fantasy game. I've played the first two and really enjoyed how well they managed to emulate an old NES style game, and as I recall, your series was the first to accomplish this. I'll give this a go and give you some feedback when I can.
Ephiam
Oct 8 2009, 01:58 PM
Perfect. I can't wait until you get the review done, Dark Gaia! Woot! Though remember: it's not really supposed to be like an NES game (only in looks). Can't wait to hear your opinion on the new installment.
Dark Gaia
Oct 8 2009, 10:06 PM
Ah, that's good. I should expect some modernized features in it then. Modern systems... NES charm... I think we're onto something here!
Ephiam
Oct 10 2009, 08:46 AM
Indeed, good sir. it was sort of an experimentation... I wanted to see what the result would be like were I to fuse a decent number of aspects from other generations in to one. And I thought the result was great! It definitly felt nice to me, regardless of how short it was. The SEGA CD music even blends in with the look of these NES graphics. It's kind of cool, actually.
SkyFuser
Oct 11 2009, 12:55 PM
Hi there RPG RPG Revolution users. I've always been an unregistered guest in these parts, but after I saw this topic I felt the need to register.
One look at the screenshots and I saw that these are sprites from
Chaos World (guess which gaming console it's for). The DF II playthrough on Youtube also seems to have uncanny resemblance to many graphics used in Chaos World.
I don't mean to be accusatory or anything, but shouldn't you at least give Natsume some credit for the monster sprites you used?
I do like this game, though. The beginning intro was a little bit too long though.
Ephiam
Oct 11 2009, 01:14 PM
Hm? Yeah, I tend to forget to do stuff like that. I just go on a spree and start gathering resources and often forget who exactly I got them off of. Still, I didn't see any name stating who they were ripped by or anything, so...I try to include the people I remeber, though, as I do have a little credits sheet included.
Scaryman
Oct 11 2009, 02:41 PM
Figured I'd at least drop a post in. Finished this today, and really had a great time. As to your question of whether the title Dragon Fantasy puts people off. Well that is probably what is happening to some degree. The title made me cringe a bit(not the graphics mind you), but I'm really glad I checked it out.
SkyFuser
Oct 11 2009, 06:00 PM
Ah ok. The game would be Chaos World by Natsume Ltd, so I do hope you add that into the credits. Chaos World is quite a good NES game so you should try it sometime. I was just somewhat concerned that you didn't attribute it to the proper people and it wasn't on that credits list you had.
Thanks for addressing my concern

Keep up the good work!
Ephiam
Oct 20 2009, 10:19 AM
That can't be all that you registered for, can it? I mean there are literally TONS of games out there that take their resources from already existing games. Not many of them (including myself) tend to claim them as their own, and I've yet to see a case where that's actually happened. Is this company important or what? You give me the feeling that you're some kind of employee or something. =/
I'm not trying to be rude, but it just seems so strange.
SkyFuser
Oct 20 2009, 08:02 PM
Do I honestly sound that old? I'm a 16 year old junior still in high school, lol. And yes, I did register just to do this; it was a first for me, so it did feel somewhat strange. No offense taken, I don't kow anyone that would go such a way to post about issues like this.
I develop video games myself (not RPG, I am sorry to say), and I've seen enough around the indie and commercial gaming internets to see that there are handfuls of people out there who really will rip off resources from other people's works and claim it as their own. I'm very errr... passionate, I guess you can say, about copyright issues, fair use, and crediting the right people for what they've done. I've played Chaos World, and it was one of the NES games that I found truly enjoyable, so I did feel somewhat angry that there were no credits for the company.
Ephiam
Nov 5 2009, 09:44 AM
QUOTE
Dragon Fantasy: Venaitura stole its monster sprites from Chaos World
EDIT: Ok so I registered on the forums (just for this :OOO) and the person was nice enough to explain it

So now I hope Chaos World does get credited on the game list. (Chaos World is awesome, btw)
Edit 2: Apparently Generica (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=78452.0) ripped off the overworld layout. <____<***
http://www.rpgrevolution.com/forums/index....showtopic=35282So I was just browsing at the various games. Oh hey, this looks interesting.
Then that female sprite immediately struck me. ISN'T THAT MICHENU??????????????
When I saw the red and green monsters Chaos World was plastering itself all over the screenshots.
http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/nes/chaosworld/enemies.shtmlO hey, look what I found. it really was Michenu and the Armor Warrior. <_________<
So I downloaded it and thought ok fine maybe if they credited Chaos World I'd let it slip.
What do I see?
Kentona--Graphics.
Oceans Dream--Title Screen detail.
Lennon--Title Screen outline.
WolfCoder--Title Screen detail.
Ephiam--Story and game design.
EXCUSE ME? I may be the most zealous advocate for fair use, but YOU DIDN'T FKING CREDIT NATSUME. Kentona? My fking DOS computer that blew up.
http://rpgmaker.net/games/1379/blog/1579/ "Dragon Fantasy: Venaitura may have the APPEARANCE of an NES game" no duh. They shamelessly fricking ripped all the monster graphics from Chaos World. Their Monster folder says so. I have proof right here
http://www.mediafire.com/?z4dlqimmtgnI love indie gaming, but I refuse to play this no matter how good it is. They fking stole the graphics and credited someone on their team for it.
You know, you could have at least worded what you were trying to say as strongly as you did there in your Blog Post. I did not "rip" the graphics, I simply went on to RPGclassics.com and got some of their monster sprites that they had for ChaosWorld. Besides, I never claimed to have been the creator of the monsters in the first place. I did not state that I had made them from scratch.
I have to agree, though, that I should have credited this company for their graphics. However, doing all of this (as in going out in to the vast expanse of the internet and finding some sprites and the like that are compatible with RPG maker and can fit the type of game that I'm going for) has become something that I do not put much thought in to doing. I do not think that very many people
at all do, actually.
What I had meant by "graphics" when I listed it in the credits was actually the sprites, which were in reality from Enix (or whoever made Dragon Warrior). However, Kentona was the one who gathered all of the sprite sheets together and let me use what he had found, thus I credited him for it. There is no "team" who decided to make Dragon Fantasy: Venaitura. I got a little help, sure, but we did not all sit down and distribute roles to one and other.
I rarely credit the company of a game as old as this. Even if it is an SNES game or something that had been developed at a more "present" date. I know that you may think that it is wrong, but I doubt that I am going to change my ways. I usually just expect the people to know that I did not make the graphics. If anyone makes their own graphics, or at least has some original sprites and such that can be displayed, they usually say so in the topic description. If not, we usually assume that the graphics are either ripped or just some kind of edited RTP (if it resembles such).
I am not trying to be an ass or anything, but if I came across as one then I guess that is just how it is. I simply quoted your blog entry and made a response to further clarify why I did what I had done.
Oh yes. I forgot to add this little piece in to the main section above:
I, too, dislike it when people claim another persons work as their own. It boils my blood, but I have only had it happen around once (or twice). I was not the one that this individual had stolen from, but rather I had been a witness to the act. I had read that their claim to have made all of the graphics only to find out that what resources they HAD were merely rips. THAT is something I do not do, and is the only true occurrence of this type that I can get frustrated at.
SkyFuser
Nov 5 2009, 07:13 PM
I initially considered wording it just as strongly, but I decided against it. My friend was astonished that I remained so "polite" about something I take this seriously. This is supposed to be a community forum, and whipping up something like that out of nowhere right after I registered would certainly land me a warning or ban for flaming or trolling a user. That is somewhat counterproductive and I honestly did not want that. If I could at least finish this without causing some riot, that would be to everyone's benefit.
Since you were the one to put this on the topic, I might as well finish this discussion without worrying about some mod slamming down the hammer. Even though this game is older than dirt, to not record what raw game materials came from where is downright sloppy and irresponsible. With the internet, credits and attribution are hardly things people have to, or even need to, worry about. I mean, let's be honest, who frickin' cares? However, I do strongly disagree with the notion that it's negligible to not credit anything, even these NES sprites, just because the stuff came from ancient history. Expecting that people will "know" that you didn't make the graphics is a dangerous thing; not dangerous in the sense that someone's going to stand in front of your doorstep wielding a chainsaw, but in the sense that it is one of the subtle little things that degrade the integrity of the internet. When I saw your credits page, I assumed that Kentona was claiming the stuff was original work. I don't see why you wouldn't note that Natsume created this if you browsed through the RPGClassics site. Or at least write that Kentona was the one to find and organize the material which were from a console game.
We'll have to agree to disagree about our viewpoints on the extent of crediting and what is ok or not ok. I'm glad you acknowledge my side of things, and I do thank you for not being one of the real asses out there that actually claim the original owners actually copied "their" work. I come from a school where crap like this happens all the time and teachers say they care but really don't, which is why I'm making somewhat of a big deal about this. In the maelstrom of a slightly morally dubious society, I do try my best to do what I think is right, even at the expense of a little convenience. I don't believe in being a bystander over even small acts like these if I can voice a concern about it.
Ephiam
Nov 5 2009, 07:40 PM
It is good that you decided to remain polite instead of becoming enraged and typing a slur of insults and the like, as some folk may find themselves doing even if it is about such a simple matter. Why is that? Because honestly, I do not tend to read or take those posts seriously and I just ignore them. However, when I come across something as...ohh..."odd" as your blog post I can not help but feel some kind of urge to share my side of the story.
A majority of all of this stems from the fact that through the production of the 6~ games I have made so far, this has been the only complaint about such a matter that I have ever received. Sure, I used someone elses battle animations a few times (after asking them, of course, but I wasn't too specific and instead used the actual animation instead of the graphic used to make it) and got a small complaint, but it was nothing major. Aside from that, there was never anything that would lead me to crediting all of the actual gaming companies that the original graphics originated from. I think that I may have done something similar for the credits of Dragon Fantasy 1, I listed the actual games rather than the companies that had produced said games.
And no, I am usually not an asshole unless my "opposer" is, in turn, an asshole.
Aside from that, I truly have to come out and be honest with everyone: I'm not all that serious about this RPG Maker business. I do it more for the enjoyment factor, and because of that usually lose sight of such things as credits and the like. That is also why I have begun to focus more on small-scale games rather than epic adventures spanning 30+ hours. It is just not all that fun to do once you have done it twice, and dealing with a smaller project is much more manageable and fun (or at least in my opinion, anyway).
Ephiam
Dec 11 2009, 08:25 PM
No other players Well that's not very good!
I've gone and done a playthrough of the game and have hosted the parts up on Youtube, so I hope you'll all give it a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzee9XLfgM0
Puck
Jan 17 2010, 05:39 PM
when i saw first pixely screenshot and DQ sprites my jaw dropped, downloading now! MUST PLAY THIS! looks like an awesome game, huge retro DQ rpg fan so odds are i'm gonna play til i beat it every way possible and give it best damn review i can. I envy people with time and resources to make DQ fan-games. I can't find enough resources for them ever.
Ephiam
Jan 17 2010, 05:46 PM
Well, if you're going in expecting a full-blown NES type of game then I will have to warn you to be very cautious. It may look like an NES game, but as I said before: Looks can be very, very deceiving! The feel of the game is entirely different, though most of the people I've talked to said it was a good kind of different. It was oddly good, and felt "right."
But I hope to hear back from you, and wish you the best playing experience! Come back when you've got the time and have played through it a bit to give us your thoughts.
Puck
Jan 18 2010, 05:11 PM
QUOTE (Ephiam @ Jan 17 2010, 05:46 PM)

Well, if you're going in expecting a full-blown NES type of game then I will have to warn you to be very cautious. It may look like an NES game, but as I said before: Looks can be very, very deceiving! The feel of the game is entirely different, though most of the people I've talked to said it was a good kind of different. It was oddly good, and felt "right."
But I hope to hear back from you, and wish you the best playing experience! Come back when you've got the time and have played through it a bit to give us your thoughts.
i couldn't get download to work actually is it still active? i really want to play so i can review looks like awesome game.
Ephiam
Jan 18 2010, 05:47 PM
Oh? Really...? Wow, so it seems that you were right! The download did die. But I've gone and replaced it now, so it should work.
Puck
Jan 29 2010, 03:56 AM
QUOTE (Ephiam @ Jan 18 2010, 05:47 PM)

Oh? Really...? Wow, so it seems that you were right! The download did die. But I've gone and replaced it now, so it should work.
Thank you very much Ephiam~! <3
kentona
Feb 6 2010, 05:49 PM
Wow, this turn a strange turn.
I expect that most people would know that the graphics are from Dragon Warrior/Quest for the NES (primarily III & IV). I gathered them from Woodus's Dragon's Den website, which has a bunch of Dragon Warrior rips from the various games. I may have tweaked a thing or two.
Ephiam
Feb 11 2010, 01:57 PM
You're way too late for that party, Kentona! All of it has already come to pass, and now this topic just sits here awaiting some new replies that float by every now-and-then.
amerk
Jun 22 2011, 11:42 AM
Dragon Fantasy: Venaitura has been reviewed.
See the topic here!(I noticed you don't have this game hosted on the main RRR game site, but I would encourage you to do so.)
gerrtunk
Jul 4 2011, 01:27 PM
I liked your game. My first problem is with the challengue, thats trully too low, i passed away alot and winned without a problem.
The retro feel and graphics where fine and the history was simple but interesting.
For venaitura 2, more challengue!
I think it had the duration it just needed for what is it!.
Ephiam
Jul 4 2011, 04:28 PM
There will DEFINITELY be better (and more) puzzles in Venaitura II, as well as a MUCH higher difficulty. In regards to difficulty, I was thinking of releasing a harder/more challenging version of this game in the future after finishing the sequel. I'm also hoping to rewrite the storyline as well, because now that I have everything planned out essentially, a few (lot) of things just don't make much sense. SOOO... yeah. Lol.
Thank you for playing! Woo.
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