We could use a new "screenshot" thread Options

[Kread-EX]

This forum likes whining so much it's incredible annoying.

Firstly, Adrien, stop ass pulling information. The activity of the Creative Commons as a whole is utterly unrelated to the existence of a screenshot thread.
Secondly, I'd like to ask you people (not specifically Adrien) to compare the intent of said screenshot thread with its practical use as seen with every version of the thread, and as seen in other forums as well.

The original goal of the screenshot thread is to provide feedback on visual aspects of your game so you can improve them. Can you really pretend with a straight face that this goal has ever been attained? Who actually uses it as anything other than an attention whoring screen dump? I'm not sure I'd need both of my hands to count them. The "advice" given is kept to a strict minimum, mostly to avoid getting burn by a moderator and having a excuse for post another screen. This is reality and to quote Yanfly, this epitomizes screenshot threads of every forum out there (except maybe RMN - I don't frequent the place enough to judge).

If you really need real, honest feedback on a visual element of your game, this is a very valid reason to bump your project thread. In the event you don't have yet a project topic and need the same honest feedback, nothing prevents you to create a topic in the forum corresponding to the engine you are using. If somebody is interested in your game, they will reply. Otherwise, posting it in a screenshot thread will not give you better feedback. It will not.

[Adrien.]

This forum likes whining so much it's incredible annoying.

then leave.....??


The original goal of the screenshot thread is to provide feedback on visual aspects of your game so you can improve them. Can you really pretend with a straight face that this goal has ever been attained? Who actually uses it as anything other than an attention whoring screen dump? I'm not sure I'd need both of my hands to count them. The "advice" given is kept to a strict minimum, mostly to avoid getting burn by a moderator and having a excuse for post another screen. This is reality and to quote Yanfly, this epitomizes screenshot threads of every forum out there (except maybe RMN - I don't frequent the place enough to judge).

If you really need real, honest feedback on a visual element of your game, this is a very valid reason to bump your project thread. In the event you don't have yet a project topic and need the same honest feedback, nothing prevents you to create a topic in the forum corresponding to the engine you are using. If somebody is interested in your game, they will reply. Otherwise, posting it in a screenshot thread will not give you better feedback. It will not.

Thats right lets all go our game threads and start bumping with new screens of our games....oh wait....some times people come up with a CONCEPT screen and want feed back on it. others yes - are whores. (XD) - so where do you suppose we post our "this is an idea of a map - i don't know if it should be in the game or not..." in the threads that never get read? Kread if you made a game right now for the next two weeks every one would be like "ZOMG KREAD MADE A GAME SPAMZORS HIS THREAD" after that its a barren waste land of death...

Screen shot thread allows you to post conceptual ideas, finished maps and WIP's if you littered your game thread with said screens then it would be another "scratch pad of ideas and WIP's" the idea of your game thread should be to sell your game, not the ideas and works in progress behind it but the "finished" product, the concrete ideas, maps, images, logos and characters going into it.

But wait im just "ass pulling info...."


the point is simple:

Screen shot thread = place for people to get feed back.
Game thread = place to SELL your game.

Sure people might use the ST as a "whore place" how ever it makes no sense to place rules upon a simple "show off your work" and "post your maps" thread....it also makes no sense to try and moderate it (unless its going off topic) or limit the use of it.

It is what it is a "screen shot thread"

This post has been edited by Adrien.: Mar 6 2012, 12:13 PM

[kaz]

I think Adrien if you keep up this lip- you may be the one leaving


And still no one gets the idea-



My idea was to create a subforum in GTD that discusses these ideas. A Hard Theory board. You can post pictures of mapping for feedback, talk about systems you'll be using in your game and provide numbers and detailed workings of it instead of just vague general thoughts.

The forum will have some guidelines though. You have to provide more than a small general idea. You should have screenshots, pictures, drawn layouts, or real numbers to work with. Your idea should be pretty solid when it's posted for discussion.


From the topic where you have a chance to change things.


from adrien's post

Screen shot thread = place for people to get feed back.
Game thread = place to SELL your game.

Another point of view

Screen shot thread = place to post screenshots every other day getting extra views for a game without circumventing the rules for bumping.

Game thread = place to discuss all aspects of your game- and view screenshots within the correct setting

[Harryb412]

I actually find myself agreeing with Adrien.
The screenshot thread, to me, seemed like the perfect place to get feedback on something incredibly specific.
In a game thread, you want people to be talking about your game, and you generally don't want to keep spamming it with WIP screenshots.
Some people did mistreat the screenshot thread, yes, but all it takes is to just tell them to not do that?
I mean, the moderators do have the power to warn people for such things.

Also, Kread, I don't get the first line of your post. This thread has legitimate discussion and criticisms, and I'd have thought a Director would want to be less rude towards forum goers.

Kaz Ninja'd me:
The issues with a subforum for that are:
Most threads will be pretty short,
Going to multiple threads to view short ideas or pictures is more time consuming than it is worth.
It'd basically be another Theory and Design forum, if it was for long ideas.

It would be much more convenient to have a Hard Theory Thread

[Adrien.]

I think Adrien if you keep up this lip- you may be the one leaving


And still no one gets the idea-



My idea was to create a subforum in GTD that discusses these ideas. A Hard Theory board. You can post pictures of mapping for feedback, talk about systems you'll be using in your game and provide numbers and detailed workings of it instead of just vague general thoughts.

The forum will have some guidelines though. You have to provide more than a small general idea. You should have screenshots, pictures, drawn layouts, or real numbers to work with. Your idea should be pretty solid when it's posted for discussion.


From the topic where you have a chance to change things.


from adrien's post

Screen shot thread = place for people to get feed back.
Game thread = place to SELL your game.

Another point of view

Screen shot thread = place to post screenshots every other day getting extra views for a game without circumventing the rules for bumping.

Game thread = place to discuss all aspects of your game- and view screenshots within the correct setting

I actually find myself agreeing with Adrien. Oo....
The screenshot thread, to me, seemed like the perfect place to get feedback on something incredibly specific.
In a game thread, you want people to be talking about your game, and you generally don't want to keep spamming it with WIP screenshots.
Some people did mistreat the screenshot thread, yes, but all it takes is to just tell them to not do that?
I mean, the moderators do have the power to warn people for such things.

Also, Kread, I don't get the first line of your post. This thread has legitimate discussion and criticisms, and I'd have thought a Director would want to be less rude towards forum goers.

Kaz Ninja'd me:
The issues with a subforum for that are:
Most threads will be incredibly short,
Going to multiple threads to view short ideas or pictures is more time consuming than it is worth.

It would be much more convenient to have a Hard Theory Thread

Ok so here's what I have to say to all this nonsense - because its way to complicated when it should be simple:

Stop making the sceen shot thing complicated. Its a simple thread for a simple posting where people talk about screen shots. nothing complicated about. Why is such a big deal? ACE, Net, RMRK,Omega Dev and others all have one and they all get used for the same purpose and there is no issue about it... Post a screen shot, comment or not...

your Sub form to GTD is fine how ever its for hard theory, a perfect example is my closed thread about errands. you could put in that sub form a concept of a game map(s) with details explaining why, how, what about and go further into detail about the design of your maps, how ever the screen shot thread is exactly what the title sais: SCREEN SHOT THREAD....

Why is this so complicated? The mods can still have their sub form for the users who want to number crunch and get into the hard fine lined details of FFT Styled maps or mathematical equations relating to the philosophies of physics in their games or what ever...

while the GTD could be used for talking about character development and world creation and game theory related topics...

I see why you want to create the sub form what I dont see is why the screen shot thread is so complicated...am i missing something?

but the screen shot thread is a place to post screen shots in relation to the game you are working on...

This post has been edited by Adrien.: Mar 6 2012, 12:34 PM

[Rob_Riv]

Firstly, Adrien, stop ass pulling information. The activity of the Creative Commons as a whole is utterly unrelated to the existence of a screenshot thread.

Completely unrelated? That seems so very unlikely.

For that claim to be true, Kread, it would mean that hardly anyone looks at screenshots and then goes on to look at the project thread as a result of that. Sakura and Adrien have both said they do this, and I know I do too. It's certainly logical that a significant number of others do as well.

This post has been edited by Rob_Riv: Mar 6 2012, 12:35 PM

[Adrien.]

Firstly, Adrien, stop ass pulling information. The activity of the Creative Commons as a whole is utterly unrelated to the existence of a screenshot thread.

Completely unrelated? That seems so very unlikely.

For that claim to be true, Kread, it would mean that hardly anyone looks at screenshots and then goes on to look at the project thread as a result of that. Sakura and Adrien have both said they do this. I know I do too. It's certainly logical that a significant number of others do as well.

this is pretty much my whole argument right there. You see a simple non complicated screen shot, you see the author, you wonder what game their working on - 9/10 they state what game, you go to the game you read about it, you download, you try...

screen shots are a selling point. we ALL know this...we ALL do this.

You want to get complicated? you want to talk about the politics of your game? the religious aspects? everything I stated in my last post? the new sub form would be a place for that. you want to talk about character development and customization? the GTD would be for that. but screen shot thread is a selling/advertising way of saying: "heres what im working on, come check it out..."

ACE, NET, RMRK, Omeg-Dev and every other site did this/does this and it works...yes youll get whores, yes youll get trolls but the point is, the name of the thread sais it all. thats how a lot of the threads on this forum get attention. thats how this forum (IMO) gets its traffic, people coming to post a screen shot, up date their thread and then check out other peoples games - take that away and traffic starts to die.

[Harryb412]

"your Sub form to GTD is fine how ever its for hard theory, a perfect example is my closed thread about errands. you could put in that sub form a concept of a game map(s) with details explaining why, how, what about and go further into detail about the design of your maps, how ever the screen shot thread is exactly what the title sais: SCREEN SHOT THREAD....

Why is this so complicated? The mods can still have their sub form for the users who want to number crunch and get into the hard fine lined details of FFT Styled maps or mathematical equations relating to the philosophies of physics in their games or what ever..."
The issue with this though, is that the Hard Theory forum would essentially be what Game Theory and design is for: Posting concepts for discussion or other areas of game design.

[Kread-EX]

so where do you suppose we post our "this is an idea of a map - i don't know if it should be in the game or not..." in the threads that never get read?

If you had bothered to read my post, I did say that if you're determined to get feedback you can use the game engine forums. People regularly use them to ask for opinions on scripts they are making, on events they are making... in the past they were also used for map feedback.

Kread if you made a game right now for the next two weeks every one would be like "ZOMG KREAD MADE A GAME SPAMZORS HIS THREAD" after that its a barren waste land of death...

Which actually happened. Fortunately I actually prefer it that way, as I can't stand the pressure coming from hyping up my own projects. That being said if you don't want your thread to die it's your job to provide interesting updates. It is your job to schedule updates so they don't happen to frequently (and therefore giving an effect of saturation, which makes people lose interest) and organize their content and presentation to make them easy to read and give the player the will to look forward the next one.

A screenshot thread will not remedy this.

Screen shot thread allows you to post conceptual ideas, finished maps and WIP's if you littered your game thread with said screens then it would be another "scratch pad of ideas and WIP's" the idea of your game thread should be to sell your game, not the ideas and works in progress behind it but the "finished" product, the concrete ideas, maps, images, logos and characters going into it.

If you really need to get public feedback so often on so many different aspects, the problem lies with you. I said it earlier, it is your job to schedule and organize what you show publicly in order to not make people lose interest. You of all people should be aware of it: you have been mocked in the past for your constant empty updates, both in your game project AND the screenshot thread.

But wait im just "ass pulling info....".

Reading problems much? I said you were pulling info out of your ass by making the assumption that the removal of the screenshot thread had negatively impacted the activity of the rest of the CC. Which is false.

the point is simple:
Screen shot thread = place for people to get feed back.
Game thread = place to SELL your game.

And my point, which your apparently didn't quite grasp, was that it DOESN'T work like that. The screenshot thread is for feedback IN THEORY but IN PRACTICE, it fails.
As for your game thread, is serves both purpose. Your sell your game in your first post, and your players give you feedback afterwards. And it's totally OK to ask your players for their opinions on aspects you're not quite sure about.

Sure people might use the ST as a "whore place" how ever it makes no sense to place rules upon a simple "show off your work" and "post your maps" thread....it also makes no sense to try and moderate it (unless its going off topic) or limit the use of it.

And in this quote, you're basically admitting that it's just a spam thread for screenshots.

It is what it is a "screen shot thread"

And it doesn't freaking work.

Also, Kread, I don't get the first line of your post. This thread has legitimate discussion and criticisms, and I'd have thought a Director would want to be less rude towards forum goers.

That's simple: when something exists, people complain about it. When it doesn't, they also complain about it. Hence, I'm annoyed. I also love your emphasis on the word Director, Harry. Very subtle. But guess what, before being an admin, I'm a member of the forum. This isn't a business, and I'm completely entitled to express my annoyance. If you don't like it, then too bad for you.

Firstly, Adrien, stop ass pulling information. The activity of the Creative Commons as a whole is utterly unrelated to the existence of a screenshot thread.

Completely unrelated? That seems so very unlikely.

For that claim to be true, Kread, it would mean that hardly anyone looks at screenshots and then goes on to look at the project thread as a result of that. Sakura and Adrien have both said they do this, and I know I do too. It's certainly logical that a significant number of others do as well.

I guess I've been unclear. I'm not denying the fact that people will visit a project thread after looking at the screenshot thread. I was referring to Adrien stating a decrease of activity in the rest of the CC since the screenshot thread removal, which is untrue. Whether it becomes true later or not, we will see. I believe it will not, as people interested in games, can go roam the project boards.

[Adrien.]

"your Sub form to GTD is fine how ever its for hard theory, a perfect example is my closed thread about errands. you could put in that sub form a concept of a game map(s) with details explaining why, how, what about and go further into detail about the design of your maps, how ever the screen shot thread is exactly what the title sais: SCREEN SHOT THREAD....

Why is this so complicated? The mods can still have their sub form for the users who want to number crunch and get into the hard fine lined details of FFT Styled maps or mathematical equations relating to the philosophies of physics in their games or what ever..."
The issue with this though, is that the Hard Theory forum would essentially be what Game Theory and design is for: Posting concepts for discussion or other areas of game design.

Actually from my understanding its for posting about more indepth concepts, ideas and scratch pad thoughts for your particular game with out clogging up your game thread and still being able to get community feed back.

The problem is that the screen shot section should be simple, concise and to the point. post a screen shot of your game.

so where do you suppose we post our "this is an idea of a map - i don't know if it should be in the game or not..." in the threads that never get read?

If you had bothered to read my post, I did say that if you're determined to get feedback you can use the game engine forums. People regularly use them to ask for opinions on scripts they are making, on events they are making... in the past they were also used for map feedback.

Kread if you made a game right now for the next two weeks every one would be like "ZOMG KREAD MADE A GAME SPAMZORS HIS THREAD" after that its a barren waste land of death...

Which actually happened. Fortunately I actually prefer it that way, as I can't stand the pressure coming from hyping up my own projects. That being said if you don't want your thread to die it's your job to provide interesting updates. It is your job to schedule updates so they don't happen to frequently (and therefore giving an effect of saturation, which makes people lose interest) and organize their content and presentation to make them easy to read and give the player the will to look forward the next one.

A screenshot thread will not remedy this.

Its the main selling point of your game. People see the screen shot, people investigate the thread. every time I posted a screen shot, the amount of people viewing my thread went up. Its a proven fact. weather or not they posted was up to them, how ever it is a simple and main effective way to sell your game.

Screen shot thread allows you to post conceptual ideas, finished maps and WIP's if you littered your game thread with said screens then it would be another "scratch pad of ideas and WIP's" the idea of your game thread should be to sell your game, not the ideas and works in progress behind it but the "finished" product, the concrete ideas, maps, images, logos and characters going into it.

If you really need to get public feedback so often on so many different aspects, the problem lies with you. I said it earlier, it is your job to schedule and organize what you show publicly in order to not make people lose interest. You of all people should be aware of it: you have been mocked in the past for your constant empty updates, both in your game project AND the screenshot thread.

Getting feed back on ideas, conceptual maps and other in game maps is not a bad thing. How ever littering your game thread with them is as it takes the attention away from what your trying to sell - which is your game. There is no empty up date in my game thread and kread its not about me its about the community.

But wait im just "ass pulling info....".

Reading problems much? I said you were pulling info out of your ass by making the assumption that the removal of the screenshot thread had negatively impacted the activity of the rest of the CC. Which is false.

the point is simple:
Screen shot thread = place for people to get feed back.
Game thread = place to SELL your game.

And my point, which your apparently didn't quite grasp, was that it DOESN'T work like that. The screenshot thread is for feedback IN THEORY but IN PRACTICE, it fails.
As for your game thread, is serves both purpose. Your sell your game in your first post, and your players give you feedback afterwards. And it's totally OK to ask your players for their opinions on aspects you're not quite sure about.

Actually it does, see above.

Sure people might use the ST as a "whore place" how ever it makes no sense to place rules upon a simple "show off your work" and "post your maps" thread....it also makes no sense to try and moderate it (unless its going off topic) or limit the use of it.

And in this quote, you're basically admitting that it's just a spam thread for screenshots.

thats what every one essentially does is "spam the screen shot thread" whats your point? the screen shot thread isnt meant for in depth feed back. yes some people will give it and that's good as it was one of the largest sources of inspiration, ideas, feed back and community activity. How ever the idea is to just post a screen shot

It is what it is a "screen shot thread"

And it doesn't freaking work.

but it does. its been proven. its how I found darkhalos games, How i found sukuras (sorry for the fail spelling) games and how I learned about mapping in general....

See the red - also I think unless your a game designer/developer you don't see the impact the screen shot thread really has...

[Harryb412]

Also, Kread, I don't get the first line of your post. This thread has legitimate discussion and criticisms, and I'd have thought a Director would want to be less rude towards forum goers.

That's simple: when something exists, people complain about it. When it doesn't, they also complain about it. Hence, I'm annoyed. I also love your emphasis on the word Director, Harry. Very subtle. But guess what, before being an admin, I'm a member of the forum. This isn't a business, and I'm completely entitled to express my annoyance. If you don't like it, then too bad for you.

And upon becoming an admin you instantly become someone who is required to set an example to other members, whether you like it or not.
And complaining about people whining in a legitimate discussion with actual substance is just rude and invalid. People weren't whining.

"This isn't a business, and I'm completely entitled to express my annoyance. If you don't like it, then too bad for you."
And the same goes for everyone else in this thread. They are completely entitled to bring up legitimate complaints. And you are entitled to whine about it.

Sorry for taking this off topic, btw. I've already said everything I have to say on this subject.

[Sakura Phoenix]

Wow, okay now people are making it personal.... >_> This is to help improve an idea or my case present the case that screenshot as an idea isn't bad, that it is perhaps specific people that make it bad, and it's up to us to make it better.

I'm sorry that for Adrien that screenshot threads mean whoring around a project, It was my mistake in thinking that it was for getting feedback on screenshots of mapping or battle systems or art or whatever. I also guess I compounded that mistake when it was amended to require people to try and comment on another screencap before posting their own.


I offered a preface at the begining of asking only people to post that WANT feedback, someone else offred a limit on only members who have a certain amount of posts be able to post, that way it's not some random single poster jumping in with their "whoring" of their project.

I said that, in so many words, this new thread would be redundant of one we already have, maybe if the restrictions could be lifted and people can talk about their game in an already existing forum.

I am a decent mapper, and yet I still got benefits from feedback about screenshots,tones, tileset style, mapping style etc. IF I wanted feedback about my game mechanics or story I'd ask in my thread. But ya know what? Not many, and unfortunately it's a trend, will respond to specifics an author would ask for. I've seen even in GUC people have to beg in their title for feedback, so how will a 'new' 'hard' theory thread make this change?

And now Rob_Riv has also admitted what I've admitted, I'm more willing to try to look at a project or even offer help from a screenshot thread, or at least be able to see it easily as opposed to searching every single topic and going through every single comment to make sure something wasn't repeated or already said. Something about seeing a few screenshots give an idea right away if someone needs help with mapping, or art, or a resource (mismatched graphics) titlescreen, even GRAMMAR, at a quick glance. Not everyone CAN or is WILLING to go through topic after topic and then comment after comment.

[Adrien.]

i might have mis-worded some things it not about whoring around a project. feed back is always welcome on a screen shot that's how you improve the final product. But you have to admit that when some one sees a really nice looking screen shot they go straight to the game.

The screen shot thread provides this to me from what i see:

-- Ideas and inspiration
-- Playable and possible future games
-- techniques and advice along with feedback

the screen shot thread is simple - post a screen shot. its not about whoring your game, but it is a major selling point for your game. some people yes do use it as a whoring spot and others use it for feed back while others like my self use it as inspiration. Its whore I learned to use photoshop to essentially map...

im not into long winded explantaions on parallax mapping that would be goo for this new form im into examples and looking at what other people have done, what people are doing and the feed back they got and what not which is what the screen shot thread is all about to me...

This post has been edited by Adrien.: Mar 6 2012, 01:02 PM

[Kread-EX]

Its the main selling point of your game. People see the screen shot, people investigate the thread. every time I posted a screen shot, the amount of people viewing my thread went up. Its a proven fact. weather or not they posted was up to them, how ever it is a simple and main effective way to sell your game.

You are aware that you are contradicting everything you said before, right? Now you're saying the screenshot thread is just to sell your game. Which proves my point that its INTENT for feedback failed.

Getting feed back on ideas, conceptual maps and other in game maps is not a bad thing. How ever littering your game thread with them is as it takes the attention away from what your trying to sell - which is your game.

Actually it is a bad idea. Posting for feedback on everything is not a good practice and if you have to litter your thread with those kind of posts, then you might need to reflect on how you are designing your game. When the same people post again and again in the screenshot thread too often people get annoyed too. It happened in the past.

thats what every one essentially does is "spam the screen shot thread" whats your point? the screen shot thread isnt meant for in depth feed back. yes some people will give it and that's good as it was one of the largest sources of inspiration, ideas, feed back and community activity. How ever the idea is to just post a screen shot[/color]

Again, you're contradicting just everything you said in your last post.

but it does. its been proven. its how I found darkhalos games, How i found sukuras (sorry for the fail spelling) games and how I learned about mapping in general....

But again, this wasn't the use INTENDED for it, and this is why we removed it.

See the red - also I think unless your a game designer/developer you don't see the impact the screen shot thread really has...

Believe me, I know the impact of a screenshot. The entire point is that you can find them elsewhere in context.

And upon becoming an admin you instantly become someone who is required to set an example to other members, whether you like it or not.
And complaining about people whining in a legitimate discussion with actual substance is just rude and invalid. People weren't whining.

I've been known for my brutal honesty for the first day I joined this site. This is one of the reasons I've been chosen a mod in the first place and I will not change it because you don't like it. We already had this conversation in the past Harry.

"This isn't a business, and I'm completely entitled to express my annoyance. If you don't like it, then too bad for you."
And the same goes for everyone else in this thread. They are completely entitled to bring up legitimate complaints. And you are entitled to whine about it.

Of course. If they weren't, I would have close the thread. I didn't but I voice that I'm finding this tiring. This isn't personal, for me at least. I'm even willing to, you know, REVIVE the screenshot thread if enough people miss it. Oh, I'm such a monster Harry.

I offered a preface at the begining of asking only people to post that WANT feedback, someone else offred a limit on only members who have a certain amount of posts be able to post, that way it's not some random single poster jumping in with their "whoring" of their project.

While this would be a good idea, the flow of the screenshot thread is quite fast, and it's quite hard to have feedback if a flow of new screens push yours too far. This is a problem and I'm quite sure about how avoid it.

[Harryb412]

Okay, Kread, you seem to be taking this too seriously?
I just pointed out that as a Director you shouldn't be so rude.
There is a difference between honesty and being rude, you know?
But if you're too proud to admit that maybe you were in the wrong, we can just stop talking now.

[kaz]

yes this is getting too personal - so no more snidey remarks from anyone. falling out with each other solves nothing

We can always give things a go - and see that is the only way to find out for sure.

We have mentioned that the new Hard Theory is for maps as well- so members can have a topic entitled "screenshots" and post several - if they use tags to help others realise that is what they are,

Rather than plonked in a thread with other peoples- where you get a token "looks good need more trees" reply and then onwards to the next screenshot.

[Harryb412]

yes this is getting too personal - so no more snidey remarks from anyone. falling out with each other solves nothing

We can always give things a go - and see that is the only way to find out for sure.

We have mentioned that the new Hard Theory is for maps as well- so members can have a topic entitled "screenshots" and post several - if they use tags to help others realise that is what they are,

Rather than plonked in a thread with other peoples- where you get a token "looks good need more trees" reply and then onwards to the next screenshot.

But that wouldn't fix the issue.
The reason why topics are less effective than the screenshot thread is because they are topics.
With the screenshot thread there was lots of content in one place.
With separate topics everything is spread out and much harder to see.
The Hard Design forum would not fix it, it'd just be like game topics with less content.

[Kread-EX]

But that wouldn't fix the issue.
The reason why topics are less effective than the screenshot thread is because they are topics.
With the screenshot thread there was lots of content in one place.
With separate topics everything is spread out and much harder to see.
The Hard Design forum would not fix it, it'd just be like game topics with less content.

While this would be a good idea, the flow of the screenshot thread is quite fast, and it's quite hard to have feedback if a flow of new screens push yours too far. This is a problem and I'm quite sure about how avoid it.

[Vexus]

The point of the thread is going overboard (Not because of you harry).

The point I tried to make was there was a thread where we could ask for feedback for stuff now it's gone, the mod directs us to another thread to post in but said thread specifies to not post stuff we don't want people to use nor screenshots of games. This closed all the possible ways where someone could ask for help or was looking for feedback on some new idea for a new project.

Hence for example I was thinking on a new project after the current one gets some progress done which was going to be particularly different with it's colour scheme but unless I reword a thread to not be focused around the game but more around a "theory" there is NOWHERE to post without risking a warn/thread closed.

There said it.

Ps. while screenshot thread was filled with many people sponsoring their games some people did ask for help or feedback on the artistic style, etc and I and others tried to help some of the times. Closing the thread makes new people that join the forum restricted on where to post for help because now there's nowhere to post for mapping help.

Peace (Keep it civil guys).

This post has been edited by Vexus: Mar 6 2012, 01:25 PM

[Sakura Phoenix]

And unless there's going to be a required amount people are allowed to comment, how would it solve people going, looks good, needs more trees? I almost think that you'd need dedicated mappers or writers for each category to ensure that it wouldn't be that way. Which, as much as I'd LOVE it, it's too complex and requires too much dedication to implement. Some people will always say little or not have much to add, and while "needs more trees" isn't a great comment, it is still someone trying to offer their help in making it look better. A person can always continue the conversation and ask "where would you put more trees" or "What kind of trees" and "Needs more trees" is better than someone just saying, "Something is off" or "I don't like it" or "looks empty".

EDIT: IF it feels like it moves to fast; I always look back at other pages in screenshot threads and if someone doesn't have a comment on a map or needs help, I'll quote or direct an answer in their direction. IF it is being pushed by say...someone everyother day whoring their game, then I guess limits as to how often you can post or how many MAPS you can post in a twenty-four or whatever time period. In a sense it would be overly trying to bump a project over others. We had/ or have guidelines for over bumping or self-promotion in other areas, why not screenshot?

This post has been edited by Sakura Phoenix: Mar 6 2012, 01:26 PM