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[Kaust]

How could Light make himself invincible? The only way I can think of him prolonging his life is what L does in the liveaction version

[Show/Hide] just in case anyone hadn't seen it

writing a future date for his own death before Light discovers his identity and does the whole forty sec heart attack routine

but even that doesn't make him invincible.
A major 'loophole' I found was the Shinigami eyes trade, where it implied there was a pre-determined lifespan for everyone, but they had the freedom to half it through the transfer, which weakened the very concept of 'fate'. Of course, you could always say their answer was also pre-determined and already factored in, but idk, the audience really shouldn't be expected to come to the defence of the show.

Ultimately its still one of my favourite anime, one of the few I rewatch on a regular basis, I just dig the characters and themes in general.

[X-M-O]

Yeah, I really did like Death Note - but mostly for the fact that I wasn't sure which character I liked most (Light or L). I ended up preferring them both, lol.

I didn't mind too much about the different "technicalities" or whatever, but I really did like Ryuk - and it was sad when the other Shinigami was killed. =[

[Kaust]

Yeah that play off of morality really was one of the best features of the show and the characters embrace it really well during the L arc.
The shinigamis look absolutely awful in the liveaction version unfortunately, its to be expected but its some of the worst CGI I've ever seen, especially for the time.

I think its also great for breaking away from the stereotypical storyline attached to anime that Sparrow was also talking about. Its not just another princess captured, guy rescues princess (I'd really recommend someone watch the first ep of the Tower of Druaga series for the funniest parody of this I've ever seen, and just a great game homage). A friend of mine used to ridicule anime for that very reason 'til I showed him the first couple of eps of DN, he went home and watched 'em 'til morning

[X-M-O]

Well, another really nice anime is Monster. If you haven't seen it, and you liked Death Note... you'll absolutely love Monster.

I disliked the live action version of Death Note. But I also disliked the anime of Death Note at first (after having read a great deal of the manga it was just too different for me). However I ended up loving it after completing it (though the L arc was the best, by far). ^^

[Kaust]

I'll be sure to give it a look, the wiki sounds good.

I didn't mind the change in story that most people seemed to complain about the liveaction, I mean yeah, its miles different, but I wouldn't want to see the exact same story retold, it already exists. Besides how did the fans expect them to squeeze the detail of about 20 hours worth of eps into two films?
I do think the films were pretty half-assed though. The music especially was a great disappointment considering how good the music was for the anime. RHCP just had no business being there whatsoever.

[X-M-O]

It's not about having a different story than the anime or manga - I wouldn't mind that so much, because after reading the manga I was only disappointed in the anime story for a short time before falling in love with it. The problem was that the story wasn't done well in the live action version. I don't want to post any spoilers about it, but it ended far too arrogantly. There was no "real" loss in the live action, so they didn't pull your emotions the same way as the anime or manga did, and that was a big deal for me considering...
Anyway, I began watching the live action with mediocre expectations; I wasn't expecting anything huge to impress me, but I also was expecting at least something interesting... but it never did become interesting for me. The acting wasn't really horrible, but the music and story weren't interesting to me.
So it's less about my "being a fan" than it is about the film "being half-assed" as you called it.

I wouldn't say that they have an excuse about "trying to fit 20 episodes worth of anime into the films"; because they fit 111 chapters of manga into 20 short episodes of anime without a problem (and did that quite well, actually).
So the idea that they couldn't make the films any better because the films weren't a series, really doesn't make any difference and really doesn't excuse them for how lacklustre it ended up being.

If you are interested in Death Note (and you haven't watched it or read the manga yet), then I'd recommend going in this order: live action films, anime series, manga. (So it gets better and better instead of steadily declining, lol.)

[Sparrowsmith]

How could Light make himself invincible? The only way I can think of him prolonging his life is what L does in the liveaction version

[Show/Hide] just in case anyone hadn't seen it

writing a future date for his own death before Light discovers his identity and does the whole forty sec heart attack routine

but even that doesn't make him invincible.

In the Death Note RP I made my character invincible using the death note rules.
I won that bitch granted everyone was taking liberties with reality by the end.
I used this rule: "If you write, “die of disease” like before with a specific disease’s name, but without a specific time, if it takes more than 24 days for the human to die the 23-day rule will not take effect and the human will die at an adequate time depending on the disease."
it's not explained in the anime, nor did I explain how Ice (my character) discovered the rule, but if I possessed a death note, and was inclined to murder, it's one of the first things I would experiment with.
Basically I infected Ice with a disease that can surface and is generally fatal within about 60 years, ensuring he would live a long and healthy life. No other death note user, or even murder (if I understand the rules correctly) could ever harm him. That's how he escaped the RP untouched.
Clever, I thought. I believe it was a form of Malaria I used, I even had him bring the mosquito carrying the disease with him to the airport.

there's also this: "If a Death Note owner accidentally misspells a name four times, that person will be free from being killed by the Death Note. However, if they intentionally misspell the name four times, the Death Note owner will die."
never touched on in the anime or live action, I don't know about the manga, but I think it's a rule you could experiment with.
If you killed a person from heart attack, but wrote that before they died they misspelled your name in your deathnote 4 times (accidentally) would it count as an accident or on purpose? And would it make you unkillable?
Remember when Ryuk kills Light at the end of the live action. How fun would it be if he couldn't do that? If Ryuk had to kill everyone there, because otherwise he'd be stuck with Light... for years... and years... and we all know how bored Ryuk gets. Would that kill Ryuk? Dunno, would have been fun to find out.

I actually wrote a lot of a DN fan game, but sort of stopped when I realised the magnitude of the game would be far too much for me to handle. Anyway, in the perfect ending of that game you can kill Ryuk.
Another Shinigami has arrived to take Ryuk to the Shinigami god and punish him for killing other Shinigami via trickery. This Shinigami cannot leave until you (the player) is dead, or destroys the notebook, otherwise Ryuk is bound to stay. However, that shinigami cannot kill you (you've done the trick I wrote above) and Ryuk cannot kill you either. Another person with a death note can shoot you, however, and will. You are open to the death. Ryuk must kill the other death note user to preserve your life, otherwise he will be punished, but doing so will kill him. Checkmate.
It was better thought out than that actually... but it was a long time ago I wrote it.

Anyway, Death Note had a lot more potential if the rules had been explored a little better.
I should get back to writing that fan game...

[Kaust]

there's also this: "If a Death Note owner accidentally misspells a name four times, that person will be free from being killed by the Death Note. However, if they intentionally misspell the name four times, the Death Note owner will die."
never touched on in the anime or live action, I don't know about the manga, but I think it's a rule you could experiment with.

...Then how do you know its a rule...

The 23 day rule was fake anyways, Light added it to one of the Deathnotes (the one the police knew of) to clear his name. I'm not sure if that rule is included in the Liveaction on purpose or not (been a while since I watched 'em), but I came away thinking that someone should've used a deathnote on whoever wrote them...

Did you hear about the bullying that started in schools by using deathnote notebooks btw? Kids were writing other kids names in fake deathnotes to show they disliked 'em and schools started banning Deathnote. Now they'll just have to go back to violence

[Sparrowsmith]

There are several 23 day rules. That one applies to having to kill someone within 23 days (I cannot write "dies of heart attack in 2100" for this reason it's a real rule. The fake one is about the user dying if the book is not used.
They are online. So far as I'm aware all of the rules were published in the manga and have since been uploaded. I may be mistaken and I'm reading some kind of fan rules, but the majority of the rules seem right.

[X-M-O]

If you killed a person from heart attack, but wrote that before they died they misspelled your name in your deathnote 4 times (accidentally) would it count as an accident or on purpose? And would it make you unkillable?

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work, because it requires the owner of the Death Note to misspell the name - I don't think it will work with anyone else writing the name. =\

Lots of interesting ideas you have there, lol. Exploring possibilities like that, really bring the "fan" out of you. I can't say I'm a dedicated fan in terms of that type of stuffs, but oh well. I enjoyed the manga and anime.

[TheBen]

Um... well... since I know absolutely nothing about Death Note (it's an anime where this kid eats a potato chip, right?), and this topic desperately needs some resurrection... um...

Hey, you guys been reading any fun webcomics lately? Me, I found this crazy-cool one called Sam and Fuzzy - it just has this perfect balance of serious "real" plot and humor. And yes, you all know I love Dr. McNInja already, but nothing's happening over there... okay, so maybe a ton of absolutely radical things are going on over there, but we all need a break from total ludicrousness every once in awhile, eh?

[Kaust]

I've been reading 8-Bit Theatre (got my avatar from it ), Feoden has a link in that FF thread by Jens, check it out its real funny, but I'll check out Sam and Fuzzy when I'm done with it.

That potato chips bit in DN is hilarious, especially in the english dub

[Albino Parakeet]

Fuck anime let's talk about women.

[Kaust]

Have something to get off your chest? Or someone's chest to get on?

It might be the questioning of breasts, it might be the insistence of including a wink, but that seemed oddly like a bad pickup line on rereading.

[X-M-O]

Yes, it's a bad pick-up line.
"Women's breasts" is hardly a topic that we should be discussing on the forum; let's not.

[Kaust]

Yeah, enough of this inbreastigation, lets go back to our perfectly innocent chats of cartoons and comics.
Have you seen Hellsing X-M-O? I bought a few of the Ultimates and was wondering what the differences between the series were?
All my googling has made them appear exactly the same and people gave contrary opinions to one another (that Ultimate had less story, that Ultimate was more accurate to the manga, that Ultimate had less char development) twas all confusing.
I'll probably end up watching both anyways, Hellsings pretty stylish.

[X-M-O]

Hellsing didn't look interesting enough for me to watch soon (it's on my list, but not a priority, so it's pretty far down my list, lol).
I've heard some good and some bad about it - however if you're really concerned with the story, then just go with the manga.
Most anime don't do the manga justice, but that's just the way things are (same way that most novels/books aren't as great when made into films, if you get what I mean). =]

[Kaust]

I prefer anime, I don't really watch tv so its nice to have something to relax to.
I didn't think much of Hellsing before, I had a friend who raved about it so I figured I'd watch it one of these days, I only ended up picking it up 'cause one of the disks was going for a couple of quid. It was definitely worth it though. The story seems to have gotten a little out of control but I'm hoping that'll just make it all the better with some dramatic conclusion reigning it in.
Besides not all films are worse than their books, Trainspotting for example is incredible, though it is a much reduced story to the book. The book's written in a Scottish phonetic though, which I found unbearable to read.
Books just give you the chance to use your imagination, whereas a film is the representation of another persons, so I suppose really a book's as good as you can think up.

[X-M-O]

True, and usually because a person reads books often (imaginative folk) they tend to dislike the representation of another person in the form of a film based on a book.
You can't blame the film makers for that, though sometimes they do a very poor job of it, lol.

[Sparrowsmith]

Fuck anime let's talk about women.

The exact inverse of this sentence would be better, no?
*runs away from terrible play on words*

Believe I already mentioned only really watching deathnote...

you guys been reading any fun webcomics lately?

Recently read Homestuck, though it's a bit of a genre buster (the text is -usually- distinct from the art, making it more of a novel with pictures attached, in fact at over 60,000 words, most of which is dialogue, it would easily qualify as a screenplay with accompanying storyboard, and soundtrack) but it's defined as a webcomic.

There's already a Homestuck topic on the forum though, so this would be redundant.

I don't suppose anyone has any advice for long train journeys/staving off boredom? I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow...