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[elliott20]

Honestly, I had to skip the stuff in between since I didn't exactly have time to comb through everything. But nice hostility.

[kaz]

I'm really late to the party, but here we go.

Did you even read the topic? Everyone who has chimed in supporting the theft of graphics has said the exact same thing as you.

Honestly, I had to skip the stuff in between since I didn't exactly have time to comb through everything. But nice hostility.

@ sailerious

Elliot was only giving his thoughts on the topic- and he did provide a couple of examples to illustrate his point.

@elliot

I am sure Sailerious didn't mean it to come out like that-apologies if it did.

[cray]

So ,what's this topic about now? Since pretty much everything has been said... =P
I'm glad things turned out for the best, I was afraid this site was gonna convert in some elitist only custom work allowed rpgmaker site.

[Sailerius]

Honestly, I had to skip the stuff in between since I didn't exactly have time to comb through everything. But nice hostility.

I apologize if I sounded hostile (as that was not my intent) but this has happened several times now and it's impossible to have a productive debate if people keep saying the same thing instead of contributing to the discussion.

[udivision]

elliot20's post brought up a thought: Has any RPG Maker (fan) game gotten an C&D? I think it'd take more than several thousand downloads to reach that level of notoriety for the actual company to get a whiff of it. Then again, fan games made from scratch that never see the light of day get C&Ds. I think it's all about popularity.

But if that's too far away from the point of this been-there-done-that topic, then ignore my post.

[Amy Pond]

I got asked to stop making a game but it wasn't really a C&D. It was more a "hey hey we'd rather you didn't make a fangame thanks".

[udivision]

Was your project really popular?
What company held the copyright?

[Oceans Dream]

So ,what's this topic about now? Since pretty much everything has been said... =P
I'm glad things turned out for the best, I was afraid this site was gonna convert in some elitist only custom work allowed rpgmaker site.

That was really not the intent of this topic and in fact I didn't think much people would reply!

My only point really was "don't steal from your fellow indies/rpg makers", not that we should go on a crusade to remove every non custom work. I don't think it's a big thing to ask for.

[cray]

I agree with not stealing from other indie games, I dind't know it was actually something people did.

[Holder]

So ,what's this topic about now? Since pretty much everything has been said... =P
I'm glad things turned out for the best, I was afraid this site was gonna convert in some elitist only custom work allowed rpgmaker site.

That was really not the intent of this topic and in fact I didn't think much people would reply!

My only point really was "don't steal from your fellow indies/rpg makers", not that we should go on a crusade to remove every non custom work. I don't think it's a big thing to ask for.

The things that you've mentioned within the first post should really be standard practice, taking notes etc. actually it'll help create the ending credits, I've been miffed when I've seen credit listings where it's just been the developers name over and over until the script listings.

Cray it's sometimes something we've had to deal with a number of times, actually I think that's why this topic was created because it's happened of recent.

[Twilight]

elliot20's post brought up a thought: Has any RPG Maker (fan) game gotten an C&D? I think it'd take more than several thousand downloads to reach that level of notoriety for the actual company to get a whiff of it. Then again, fan games made from scratch that never see the light of day get C&Ds. I think it's all about popularity.

But if that's too far away from the point of this been-there-done-that topic, then ignore my post.

Not to stray off topic but there have been a number of fan games made in other mediums that have been shut down. This is normally due to heavy usage of resources from the source material (whether it is characters, setting, audio, or graphics). That said it's safe to assume Rpg Maker is no exception. I'm not actually against using resources from other commercial games (I'm actually using music from a few games myself until I can get someone to compose for me), but the major issue with that is generally that people don't give credit to the original creators of the resources.

Back on topic the major issue is what happened with Cogwheel's game Nocturne Rebirth as well as seeing several other indie games having their resources stolen. This issue isn't limited only to RM games but other indie games/groups that aren't widely known and victim to having their resources or outright their entire games/projects stolen with other people taking credit for it.

This post has been edited by Twilight: May 19 2011, 02:33 PM

[Amy Pond]

Was your project really popular?
What company held the copyright?

It was a fangame to an online game (Battleon), that I was posting on the forums of that game. It wasn't like, official or anything, they just said not to continue with it.

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I agree with not stealing from other indie games, I dind't know it was actually something people did.

Why not

I agree with not stealing from other - games, I dind't know it was actually something people did.

What's the difference?

This post has been edited by Amy Pond: May 19 2011, 03:51 PM

[udivision]

Amy Pond, it's probably rationalized by how much "damage" can be done by those actions although both are illegal. Well assuming the indie games have copyrights.

[elliott20]

Amy Pond, it's probably rationalized by how much "damage" can be done by those actions although both are illegal. Well assuming the indie games have copyrights.

I'm pretty sure 99% of indie games out there are copyrighted, since the act of registering you IP for copyright is trivial.

[Acewing]

elliot20's post brought up a thought: Has any RPG Maker (fan) game gotten an C&D? I think it'd take more than several thousand downloads to reach that level of notoriety for the actual company to get a whiff of it. Then again, fan games made from scratch that never see the light of day get C&Ds. I think it's all about popularity.

But if that's too far away from the point of this been-there-done-that topic, then ignore my post.

I've just recently found out (though it really old news by now) that there were fan-made chrono trigger's that did get C&D's a few years back; although to be perfectly honest: I don't see SE even bothering with CT at all. The DS re-make is about as far as it got and even that just drew from the old SNES version with a few added trinkets, but yeah, there's even a developer's preview video on youtube that went through the basic progress they had going before the C&D hit.

Just adding some food for thought if anyone was wondering if there were any real example's of what crosses the line and what doesn't, albeit it's not much, but here you go.

This post has been edited by Acewing: May 22 2011, 12:49 AM

[DerKomet]

Stealing cogwheels graphics after all the free stuff he has given to the RM scene, is what a call the classical rape in the ass. After been around for a while and realizing that everything sooner or later gets stolen, the only thing I care about is making sure that I get known before the stealing happens haha... in the case of cogwheels, the only people who gets put down are the ones who steal from him.

I'm against graphics ripping (after I started doing my own artwork). I also understand the people who rip sprites since I'm a former ripper myself. Pixel art, or any other form of art requires a lot of studying, time and dedication... if you want to make good graphics that can rival or surpass what's out there for free legally... like the RTP graphics that a lot of you guys dislike soo much that you're not willing to comform in using them. There's a reason why the artists involved were hired by a mega company like Enterbrain, and I'm sure those of you that belongs in this crowd will value them more after sitting down and analyzing the good and bad of it.

And yes, I know that a lot of you will counter my rant with the whole "but RTP graphics are soo overused" and yes, that is the price you have to pay, for being a hobbyst who's in for the quick fix.

Sorry holder and the mods for deviating the topic a little bit like that with my rant, but almost everything I had in mind has already been ripped from my mind.

[nichodo]

I say leave ripped graphics alone until something happens.

Also this is my first time posting in this topic.

This post has been edited by nichodo: May 22 2011, 09:27 AM