I'd also like to say that you can actually play PS1 and PS2 games on the PC if you have one that's good enough. So Sony is losing their sales to PC if they keep screwing over backwards compatibility. Especially if the PS4 is going to have PC-like specs, and cost in the same price range as one. Smart gamers are going to buy the PC so they can play anything from NES to Wii, and everything in between. Maybe even PS3/360 in the future. Honestly, I might think about buying a PS4 if it were cheap, and had better graphics, better functionality, and a more solid system (like how the N64 was impossible to break, nowadays if you touch the console while running a game everything shuts off) than the PS3, and if it could play PS3, PS2, and PS1 games. Straight from the disc. Just emulate the PS3, which can also emulate PS1, and throw the emotion engine in there for PS2. It's not like it would cost so much money they'd go out of business. They'd get so many more sales from that.
Also, I don't get how they lose money from enabling backwards compatibility. They may not gain money, but they can't lose it. Old games like that have already been paid for, and that's done and done.
I think it would be wise of them to make a non-backwards compatibility one with a few extra features here and there, and a backwards compatibility one with just the standard features, and have them both on the shelves at the same time, and see which one sells more. I'd bet anything the backwards compatible one would win. Hands down. They'd make so much more sales.
Having no backwards compatability means you HAVE to buy PS4 games if you want a PS4, giving them more money. If you bought a PS4 and decided none of the PS4 games were good, you'd jsut play your older games on it, and their sales would drop more than increase.
However, I agree with everything else said
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Well they still sell the console itself. It's like the ultimate package. What if you look at all the games and you are just like, what you said, "none of these are good" so you don't even buy the console? Whereas, if you want to relive the old days, maybe with some anti aliasing and upscaling, you go buy the PS4. There's a sale they wouldn't have had anyway if it didn't have backwards compatibility at all. So they could make more money that way, just not from their games. Someone who doesn't like PS4 games isn't going to buy a PS4 if it doesn't have backwards compatibility, but someone who doesn't like PS4 games but like PS1/2/3 games, all in one console for conveinence (that's not how you spell it but whatever my spell checker won't tell me), with like upscaling and stuff.. that person will still buy it. You catchin' my drift?
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All we know about the specs is that it's an 8-core processor and a amd radeon HD with 8GB of GDDR5 memory.
Do I think we'll finally see multi monitor support this gen? Maybe! But just from the PS3 to PS4 it's a pretty big leap in specs. Also X86!
I'll still get the 720 and PS4 as I usually have all 3 consoles and a PC for gaming mainly because I don't like being left out when something is released on X platform.
When it comes to backwards compat sometimes it just has to go, nintendo no longer has GC support but will offer them on the virtual store. The PS1 was released in 1994, and the Ps2 in 1999. We're in 2013 folks, I understand backwards compat for the PREVIOUS gen but not for the last 3 gens and xbox 360 had horrible backwards compat.... Also there comes a time when the hardware and controllers itself become incompatible with older generations, the ps4 will still have ps3 backwards compatibility and it may still have the PS1 compatibility.
Also I need to ask, what GPU has 8GB of GDDR5 memory? I have 64GB of DDR3 but only 2GB of GDDR5, it may be a special made for GPU and I only know of amd radeon hd 7979 GHZ that still only has 6GB of GDDR5. My main system at the moment only has a 4-core cpu, but I do plan on buying a dual lga-2011 board and working on either doing an 8 or a 16 core system (I don't just game lol, actually... I barely game on this machine...)
Keep in mind Ken loved having exotic hardware because it would make it hard to code for and also be hard to port, but that backfired with the PS3, sony realized this and is no going to the x86 architecture, I'm sure it'll be a 64-bit system due to the fact (greater than 4GB).
Because it's an x86 it's not made by amd(cpu wise), we can assume it'll be an intel based system but that's just speculating but it may be made by amd but requires a license from intel and it's generally a better idea to go with intel to begin with. Would have been cool to see PhysX in the ps4.
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All you need to know about playstation is shown in what they are doing with there handhelds, the last 2 have flopped...bad! These big companies have just lost touch with the players and reality, and hello we are still in a global recession! People dont have the money to pay for this crap anymore, thats why the indie world is growing like crazy!
All you need to know about playstation is shown in what they are doing with there handhelds, the last 2 have flopped...bad! These big companies have just lost touch with the players and reality, and hello we are still in a global recession! People dont have the money to pay for this crap anymore, thats why the indie world is growing like crazy!
Indeed it is! That's why I make all of my music dirt cheap too And yeah the PSP Go and Vita just.. don't appeal to me. Mostly because i have a PSP 3000 that's been hacked so... don't wanna give that up xD
What sucks more is that these companies tell you either fork over what little cash you have to play a childhood game or miss out =/
Pokemon X and Y are only available for 3DS, which is 180$ and the game itself will probably be 40-50$, so you're shelling out over 200$ to play a game that you absolutely love =/ It sucks too cause there is a new Eeveelution in gen 6 DX
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All you need to know about playstation is shown in what they are doing with there handhelds, the last 2 have flopped...bad! These big companies have just lost touch with the players and reality, and hello we are still in a global recession! People dont have the money to pay for this crap anymore, thats why the indie world is growing like crazy!
The recession for the most part ended, prices for homes has gone down by a large amount in my area, gas has gone down, everything has gone down here which means the recession is ending.
I don't think we'll see a $600 machine but closer to like $400-450 which is pretty cheap When it comes to handhelds, if it's not Nintendo it usually fails time has proven that but the XL wasn't that great I have 3D always off on the 3DS but the screen and thumbstick was nice and it's a nice handheld, the PSP didn't fail, the vita failed mainly because of it's slogan "Console gaming on the road".
The Xbox 720 won't be much cheaper, rumors are still foretelling a 16-core system which could be dual xeons but doesn't mean this generation xeons.
QUOTE (UmbrotheUmbreon @ Feb 24 2013, 01:49 PM)
What sucks more is that these companies tell you either fork over what little cash you have to play a childhood game or miss out =/
Pokemon X and Y are only available for 3DS, which is 180$ and the game itself will probably be 40-50$, so you're shelling out over 200$ to play a game that you absolutely love =/ It sucks too cause there is a new Eeveelution in gen 6 DX
That is to obviously be expected, the DS is pretty old expecially when it came out in 05/06....
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QUOTE (Rukiri @ Feb 24 2013, 02:32 PM)
Also I need to ask, what GPU has 8GB of GDDR5 memory? I have 64GB of DDR3 but only 2GB of GDDR5, it may be a special made for GPU and I only know of amd radeon hd 7979 GHZ that still only has 6GB of GDDR5. My main system at the moment only has a 4-core cpu, but I do plan on buying a dual lga-2011 board and working on either doing an 8 or a 16 core system (I don't just game lol, actually... I barely game on this machine...)
Better than my computer, but at least I can touch upon a lot of things PS4 can't I seriously can't wait 'till the price. Either way, Sony is going to lose out to: A) Huge price tag reaching little players B ) Reducing the system price (at the cost of their profit)
@Rukiri: But the thing is, they could have made it for BOTH systems like they did with Zelda: Twilight Princess =/
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Nowadays consoles don't tend that much sell because of quality of the console itself, but because of the exclusives it gets and games that don't come to PC platform but are in a shiny new console.
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@Rukiri: But the thing is, they could have made it for BOTH systems like they did with Zelda: Twilight Princess =/
The DS and 3Ds have a seperate SDK so no it would not have been possible, the DS is strictly a 2D console with basic 3D functionality.
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The recession isnt over... gas is still OMG expensive! Food costs more, ppl are losing there houses. And the PS3 was like $700!! So um yeah ppl dont NOT have the money for this crap, And you forgot the psp go which most ppl dont even remember cause it was so bad! Its crazy to think these new systems will be a lot less then the last ones unless they come out with cheap systems like the ps3 slim which is crap.
The recession isnt over... gas is still OMG expensive! Food costs more, ppl are losing there houses. And the PS3 was like $700!! So um yeah ppl dont NOT have the money for this crap, And you forgot the psp go which most ppl dont even remember cause it was so bad! Its crazy to think these new systems will be a lot less then the last ones unless they come out with cheap systems like the ps3 slim which is crap.
PSP Go didn't do that well because they made technically inferior device compared to their previous one just to make device a bit smaller. Turns out that people didn't really buy the idea.
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WHAT!! The pc can play ps2 game!!! How!! Th...thatz impossible. Oh come onnnnn! If I knew that I would have saved my ps2 games. Its too late now though..curse hurricane isaac. first my Tv now my games...
WHAT!! The pc can play ps2 game!!! How!! Th...thatz impossible. Oh come onnnnn! If I knew that I would have saved my ps2 games. Its too late now though..curse hurricane isaac. first my Tv now my games...
Keep in mind the PS2 is now 2 generations behind, the architecture/hardware just wouldn't work unless they developed a ps2 emulator for the x86 architecture. Sorry, just the way it is, even the ps3 was a big departure from the ps2 architecture which is why it sucked on the ps3.
PS1 used a pretty supported architecture, ps2 did not which is why it's not supported, I'm sure they'll be a ps2 emulator for it mainly cause of x86 hell.. even the wii did ps2 emulator fine with hacking it of course.
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Grr. I thought yall were sayin that the pc can play the discs without a emulater. Doesnt matta. Its why I got enjoy the psvita
Emulated PS2 games can be made to look quite good assuming that your computer can handle it. There is your backwards compatibility. Just take a console, dump the bios and use your bought copies of the games.
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Grr. I thought yall were sayin that the pc can play the discs without a emulater. Doesnt matta. Its why I got enjoy the psvita
Emulated PS2 games can be made to look quite good assuming that your computer can handle it. There is your backwards compatibility. Just take a console, dump the bios and use your bought copies of the games.
You can probably find PS2 games very cheap nowadays, and there are tools to rip the ISO from the discs to your computer for faster, smoother gameplay. PCSX2 is an emulator that's probably the best PS2 one out there.. runs quite fast with minimum settings on my computer and it's a piece of crap xD Also, depending on your graphics card and system specs, I think it can upscale the game textures by like 16x I think. Just get a nice gaming controller (I use a PS3 controller with Motioninjoy, which allows you to play with your ps3 games on the computer, using xInput I think) and you have an extremely authentic PS2 experience.
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even the wii did ps2 emulator fine with hacking it of course.
I had no idea the PSX one doesn't work very well... neither does the n64. I'll have to try out the PS2 one then x) I'm assuming you can play with Gamecube controller?
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Feb 24 2013, 12:03 PM
the PSX one doesn't work very well... neither does the n64. I'll have to try out the PS2 one then x) I'm assuming you can play with Gamecube controller?