My first RPG maker 2003 experience, What the hell XP!!!!!! Options

[Lato]

Ok I still my my other questions answered but I have another one as well hehe im learning ok. I know we have tilesets maps for 2003 here but they say they are rips so I cant really use them for my commercial games, does anyone know of a custom maps done for 2003 and the person that does them??

[Saul95]

does anyone know of a custom maps done for 2003 and the person that does them??

What?
I'm sorry, but I haven't understand this question very well.

[Lato]

does anyone know of a custom maps done for 2003 and the person that does them??

What?
I'm sorry, but I haven't understand this question very well.

The maps that come with 2003 are very few, I was wondering if someone made a custom tile set that wasnt just a rip off a old game.

[Saul95]

I don't know, but you can find many rips on spriters resource:
http://spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/gs2/
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/alundra/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/snes/saga3/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/lunar2ebc/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/lunarssc/index.html
Just a few examples.

This post has been edited by Saul95: Jun 6 2012, 09:04 PM

[Lato]

I don't know, but you can find many rips on spriters resource:
http://spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/gs2/
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/alundra/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/snes/saga3/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/lunar2ebc/index.html
http://spriters-resource.com/psx_ps2/lunarssc/index.html
Just a few examples.

Wow!! that site is amazing!! I cant belive it lol, though its very confusing, I looked at the terms of use and it was very vauge! ok the res that is off official games like final fantasy are of course off limits, however from what I saw of the other ones they just said dont give credit but dont steal, they dont tell you if you can use them for commercial games or not.... so um yeah doesnt really help.

[Saul95]

Wait, so you use rpg maker 2k3 for making commercial games?

[Lato]

Wait, so you use rpg maker 2k3 for making commercial games?

Well no, not yet at least, but I would like the option

[Zinx10]

Yeah, options are great. Also, here is a great (and popular) RPG Maker 2k/2k3 site:
http://charas-project.net/resources.php?lang=en

Charset maker:
http://charas-project.net/charas_ex.php?lang=en

[Saul95]

I didn't understand what you want to know, so I try to be brief and clear.
To create commercial games you have to use the graphics and music created entirely from scratch yourself.
Or you can use ONLY RTP resources.
While if you want to create a simple game indie, you are free to use resources ripped, but you must give credits where the game was ripped graphics, and author who has ripped the graphics.
I hope that answers your question.

If you would like to know some games from which to rip a nice graphics, you can ask me.

[Lato]

These sites all have such beautiful work, I love the old pixel faces sets from Final Fantasy 6, but I cant just love the art I need something I can used or even better edit. So ill pm ya

[Rob_Riv]

I didn't understand what you want to know, so I try to be brief and clear.
To create commercial games you have to use the graphics and music created entirely from scratch yourself.
Or you can use ONLY RTP resources.
While if you want to create a simple game indie, you are free to use resources ripped, but you must give credits where the game was ripped graphics, and author who has ripped the graphics.
I hope that answers your question.

If you would like to know some games from which to rip a nice graphics, you can ask me.

That's not really true.

For commercial games, you can use RTP resources, resources created yourself, or other resources that allow commercial game use.

For non-commercial games, you are not free to use ripped resources at all. I'm not sure what gave you that impression.

This post has been edited by Rob_Riv: Jun 8 2012, 03:19 AM

[Lato]

I didn't understand what you want to know, so I try to be brief and clear.
To create commercial games you have to use the graphics and music created entirely from scratch yourself.
Or you can use ONLY RTP resources.
While if you want to create a simple game indie, you are free to use resources ripped, but you must give credits where the game was ripped graphics, and author who has ripped the graphics.
I hope that answers your question.

If you would like to know some games from which to rip a nice graphics, you can ask me.

That's not really true.

For commercial games, you can use RTP resources, resources created yourself, or other resources that allow commercial game use.

For non-commercial games, you are not free to use ripped resources at all. I'm not sure what gave you that impression.

Thanks Rob, yeah its never ok to use a rip from any big company like squaresoft or bioware, just because they are not suing your ass on the spot doesnt mean they want you doing it.

[MissCoriel]

I personally enjoyed 2k3 for it's ability to play videos and the battle system
My for fun project is a 2k3 project.
I do have something for XP but i just like how 2k3 runs.. more like w hat I am used to.
I use charas.ex to make a basic char then use gimp and Idraw for making clothes and other things..
I need someone good at making tilesets though D: i might ask someone in the recruiting thread sometime.
I just feel that the battle system in 2k3 is much more solid and that some of the commands are far better
XP has nice stuff.. but it takes away some of the functions i would like.

[amerk]

Wow now thats a old program lol, ill have to look into that, ok another question problem! I have this cool idea to make everything black and white since its a old war game but the only thing I cant seem to make black and white is the dam face set pic!!! IS there a good way to do this?

Honestly, I don't know. I suck when it comes to art and have used Photoshop and the likes very minimally. You might want to ask in the Visual area and see if somebody can provide feedback.

Holder hangs around from time to time and seems to have a handle on various programs like GIMP and GraphicsGale, so you could even send him a PM and see if he knows.

Edit: Just realized you added this at the end of June, but my eyes deceived me and I saw July. So sorry about the late response.

[Rukiri]

This topic made me happy.

Most of your reasons stated above on the first post is the main reason why I stayed on 2k3.
XP and VX makers just didn't handle retro rpgs like 2k and 2k3 did.

Even the games that come out of VX/XP look way too blocky on the default level, and with such high res graphics, it's a real drag on making resources.

Happy making for you. =D

That's do to skill and ability, not with a maker.

Just because 2k/3 uses 16X16 tiles doesn't make it a retro RPG dev kit, far from it.
The fact is, once you reach the program's limits it's impossible to use. Sure, my own game does use smaller sprites than Xp or Vx/ace mainly because I love old school RPGs, but the issue is Rpg Maker simply was not built for advanced action combat systems period. I could hack and tweak to my needs but in the end programming your game is so much more satisfying.

Ace is the only RM that I like since 2003 though.

Keep in my it's art ability and just know how that makes a game, not a maker lol.

XP/Ace are much more versitle than 2003 was or ever will be, scripting plays a huge role.
Each can change it's own resolution (XP is a pain with this...) but VX or Ace it's just..easy as eating a slice of pie it's simply instinct.
You can also change animation cycles or how how many frames per charset batch.

XP/Ace may not be a right step for you if you want to stick with 16X16, or smaller tiles or sprites but XP and Ace are vastly superior in the sense of what they can do over 2003.



This post has been edited by Rukiri: Aug 9 2012, 07:17 PM

[amerk]

While this might be true to the average user, I've been greatly surprised with just how much RM2K & 3 can still accomplish. For one of the better games that showcases just how much events can do, you should check out Forever's End. While it's still not a perfect game, it's actually pretty impressive just how much you can do if you know what you're doing, even without scripts.

[Kazesui]

It could be worth noting that the capability gap between rm2k3 and the newer makers has been narrowed down somewhat if you include Cherry's DynRPG patch into the equation which allows you to write C++ plugins for rm2k3.

Technically speaking, this allows for easy to integrate systems like particle effects or/and modified/custom battle systems by simply downloading the plugin dll. They can be made configurable by modifying files on the outside or by event commands at runtime as well, making it somewhat equivalent in terms of what you can do with scripting on the newer makers (Though not having quite the same freedom in terms of physically recoding objects of rm2k3 itself).

Only thing is of course that there hasn't been released that many plugins yet, as the SDK is fairly new, but potential wise it stretches far.

This post has been edited by Kazesui: Aug 14 2012, 03:49 AM

[Skurge]

Its a great program, i personally find it more apealing than the newer programs like XP and VX.

The only downer is that I can't find any script editing anywhere and the uploader for graphics and music is just a picky little shit of a thing.
And that really bugs me, how is it that some games out there made by 2003 have somehow modified the graphics before the title screen even apears? There's no event or system option that can change that?

[Kazesui]

The only downer is that I can't find any script editing anywhere and the uploader for graphics and music is just a picky little shit of a thing.

"script editing"? The only scripts you'll find in rm2k3 are the event scripts (Not accounting for the LUA script patching which you could get in a limited version with some patching, as these scripts would be contained in seperate files outside of the editor anyway).

Also, the keyword for seemingly impossible stuff (not just facinating event magic which a lot of it might be as well) is generally "patches".
In particular, the most common one used for skipping the title screen is called the BAEP (Better Auto Enter Patch). This is probably what was used whenever you saw a rm2k3 game skip the title screen, or having an animated title screen

[Rukiri]

It could be worth noting that the capability gap between rm2k3 and the newer makers has been narrowed down somewhat if you include Cherry's DynRPG patch into the equation which allows you to write C++ plugins for rm2k3.

Technically speaking, this allows for easy to integrate systems like particle effects or/and modified/custom battle systems by simply downloading the plugin dll. They can be made configurable by modifying files on the outside or by event commands at runtime as well, making it somewhat equivalent in terms of what you can do with scripting on the newer makers (Though not having quite the same freedom in terms of physically recoding objects of rm2k3 itself).

Only thing is of course that there hasn't been released that many plugins yet, as the SDK is fairly new, but potential wise it stretches far.

I played with DynaRPG, but it's not the same thing. You need to know or at least have basic knowledge of C++ to use it. The entry is just too high and people that use Rm2k/3 generally DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAMMING BACKGROUND.

This is why lately I love to program games from scratch, though if you know me I'm on the move constantly.
The only thing I've improved on in the last 12 years was my programming ability, pixel art, and maths.

I can't recommend DynaRpg to someone, but I myself could use it once it get's to 1.0 or beta. I don't like to use alpha software..
If this makes it to 1.0 RPG REVOLUTION will see a suped up Seiken Densetsu 3 kit!

But seriously.. Game Maker is hella easy to use, no C++ required, GML is like a C language but it borrows from various languages to make GML.
Game Maker 9 does have me intrigued.. Now if only they'd scrap GML and use lua we'd all be winners, but stencyl also looks awesome.
If you seriously like editor coding like Rpg Maker give Game Maker, Stencyl, or Construct a try. All are capable of anything the snes can do(construct, and stencyl I'm iffy on anything 3d even fake 3D like the snes used) But game maker does have basic 3D and that's why it's a better fit..but lua is just so damn awesome.

If Cherry commits to this project, see's a 1.0 release, tries and gives rm2k/3 some 3D capabilities aka mode7 effects, truly opens up the rm2k's actor, and event objects, meaning you can do anything to them. Change movement patterns(pixel based, tile based, iso based, etc), even emmit actors like particle effects.

I personally should have done something like that when I used Rm2k/3, I can't just go back to Rpg Maker(unless it's ace..rgss3 ftw!) these days. I love precision and the control of programming my own game.

Has anyone written Pixel movement for Dyna? Or is it to early, even creating example code it should work but at version 0.14.. I'm even iffy to try it. Certainly iffy as hell to program a mode7 script. It's pretty easy in C++...

Hmm, I do have an idea for mode7, basically take the pano image, scew it, write some code to rotate, but this may be better to try at say.. version .5?

This post has been edited by Rukiri: Aug 14 2012, 05:58 PM